The new licence to let property, where will it stop..

[snotsnfarts]

I can't believe the goverment wants to start licensing all Landlords on the basis that 50% of private rented homes does not meet the Government's "decent homes" standards, what a shower of Sh**s, the standards in Local Authority Housing is much much lower with about 70% being "unfit for habitation". In some LA's new regulations advise a private 3 bedroom house has to have a minimum of 2 bathrooms before they can be considered for emergency homeless, so they keep these people in BB's at even more cost, how many council stock have 2 bathrooms?

In the private sector the tenants can leave if they are not happy, in the public sector where do you go ?? another goverment smokescreen or u turn again.

http://property.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_sty...

Edited by snotsnfarts on Tuesday 5th May 07:35

[NDA]

If your properties are rented through an agent, I assume it's the agents responsibility to be registered rather than the landlord (given the landlord, in this instance, leaves everything to the agent)?

[andy-xr]

Bullst legislation designed to create jobs and generate tax income

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andy-xr said:

Bullst legislation designed to create jobs and generate tax income

Yes quite. I have the same frustration with the HIPs document - meaningless but expensive rubbish.

[FlossyThePig]

The Article said:

The reforms are to be outlined in a Green Paper within ten days.

Before you go off on any more rants wait until the Green Paper is published, then you may have something to rant about.

Think about Nicholas van Hoogstraten when you want to worry about landlords.

[NDA]

This is a well justified 'pre-rant'.

[Dracoro]

FlossyThePig said:

The Article said:

The reforms are to be outlined in a Green Paper within ten days.

Before you go off on any more rants wait until the Green Paper is published, then you may have something to rant about.

Think about Nicholas van Hoogstraten when you want to worry about landlords.

Odd argument, most (well all ) landlords are NOT Nicholas van Hoogstraten.

Are you trying to justify this proposed legislation on the basis of some extreme examples????? Probably the worst type of justification as it rarely does what is required and just ends up inconveniencing all the law abiding people.

[scotal]

Safety and improving housing stock my arse.....

times atricle said:

Although details of how the scheme would work in England and Wales are still being negotiated, one option is that each landlord would be given a licence number that would appear on all documents related to the letting. This could make it easier for the Inland Revenue to identify tax evaders.

There's the reason, right there in bold. Its all to tdo with revenue.

[Blib]

I'm a landlord and I'm quite happy to jump through another of this governments silly little hoops.

Now, where is the licence that the tenants will be asked to sign and pay for to prove to me that they're not going to be fking morons when they live in one of my properties?

[MarkwG]

^Blib + 1^ - for every Hoogstarten there are at least 2 tennants from hell, IME: which is not to condone that thugs behaviour, but a bit of balance would be nice, for a change...wouldn't be just another way of raising some cash, would it Gordon...?

[DJC]

Colour me daft here, but how exactly will it change anything from the existing situation? Those who rent out rooms or a house without informing the authorities now, how will this licence change anything? Why will said landlords bother applying for a licence or informing anyone? Why put your head above the radar if you havent previously?

Or have I missed something?

[Martial Arts Man]

It will be interesting to see how this thread goes, having been moved mid-discussion.

Puddings spring to mind.

[scotal]

DJC said:

Colour me daft here, but how exactly will it change anything from the existing situation? Those who rent out rooms or a house without informing the authorities now, how will this licence change anything? Why will said landlords bother applying for a licence or informing anyone? Why put your head above the radar if you havent previously?

Or have I missed something?

I'm guessing that anyone letting through an agency will be forced to have a licence, but beyond that, I think you're right.

[oyster]

andy-xr said:

Bullst legislation designed to create jobs and generate tax income

Spot on.
5 million rented properties in the UK (for example).

£50 each to register (plus VAT of course). And no doubt an annual registration.

£250 million in revenue for some new quango. Of course it'll be 'not for profit' so they'll spend the entire lot. £50m on swish offices, £50m on lavish expenses and £150m on salaries. At an average £50k a pop that's an extra 3,000 non-job beaurocrats on the government payroll. Most of whom will vote for the party that sets them up in a cushdy job. Nice.
It's legal gerrymandering - nothing else.

Oh and the Treasury will get an extra £44m a year. Nice.

And probably about 3 tenants will be helped.

fktards, the lot of 'em.



Edited to add: Of course HMRC will get more info to chase more tax.

Edited by oyster on Tuesday 5th May 10:14

Edited by oyster on Tuesday 5th May 10:15

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haworthlloyd1 said:

hmm,

from my experience its more that the landlord needs protection from tenants!

just some more 'paperwork' that makes property less attractive. Don't know why they are doing this when house prices are in freefall.

Because they are a bunch of fkwits.

[Mclovin]

i really dont know how any government of the previous eras can top this shower of ste for incompetance and corruption...i think you have to look to african governments for a fairer comparison....

alot of working people have to rent because their salary level wont get a mortgage big enough to buy a house....this new tax will be passed to the renter most probably...

so rents will go up and the only people getting pay increases are public sector workers...

disposable incomes will fall...less money being spent going out stimulating economy...fall in living standards....fall in moral or whatever...

but worse is this kind of thing will stimulate ordinary people to screw the system...

[eddie1980]

This really depresses me, as if renting out is not depressing enough as it is.

[audidoody]

FlossyThePig said:

The Article said:

The reforms are to be outlined in a Green Paper within ten days.

Before you go off on any more rants wait until the Green Paper is published, then you may have something to rant about.

Think about Nicholas van Hoogstraten when you want to worry about landlords.

And what makes you think Mr van Hoogsstraaten would have bothered to register for a licence? Do you think someone who beats up tenants and goes to prison for arranging for contract killers to dispose of troublesome business associates is going to be brought into line by a £50 license?

[AndyAudi]

Our local council up in the north east of scotland, decided everyone who was a landlord had to register as such and a charge was made for the privellage (£55 + £11per property). From 2006 it was an offence to let a property without being registered.
It appeared to be a spur of the moment decision as after registering/paying and hearing nothing I called the council who said they were not prepared for the volume of applicants so hadn't got round to responding to everyone yet. It took about 18months !

Just checked their website and it appears it needs to be renewed every three years, now it's just over 3 years since they had the money and no reminder yet. So possibly we're getting credit for the 18months they didn't acknowledge, or possibly we might be about to get fined....

[johnxjsc1985]

just to bump this but I have heard Liverpool City Council are implementing a scheme with a cost of £500 per house.
Anyone else heard similar news