****ing tube strikes......why are they allowed to do it?
****ing tube strikes......why are they allowed to do it?
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Dupont666

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22,464 posts

213 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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teachers strike, dustbin men strike and tube strike, whats the difference?

Dustbin men and teachers do it once in a blue moon, tube workers (not all before I get flamed by the engineers) seem to do it once every 2 weeks, if they hate the job so much why not fk off and find another job which give the benefits they want??? Oh thats right we are in a recession and there arent that many jobs out there....

So why the fk are they allowed by the government to hold London ransom to their demands of above inflation pay and fewer hours when the rest of London is just thankful they have a job, the cream on the fking top was that they were definately striking due to 2 tube workers being scaked and the union didnt like it... what were they sacked for?

1) Opening the wrong side of the carriage doors on victoria line and they lying about it on the safety report.

2) On going court case into theft.

So due to them being told to fk off at the fact they demanded a liar and a criminal back into their jobs (wish I could steal from a bank and demand my job back after being sacked) they went on strike.

So I get out of the flat early (before 7am) to make sure I miss the crowds on the buses and trains only to find northern and victoria open.... WTF!!! I checked the website and didnt see fk all about it last night and yet in the rush to make the train/bus Im supposed to check just in case they change their fking mind!!!!

Thanks a bunch.... whilst im happy I got a seat, i have now been in the office since 7:30 and I usually dont get in till 9am....

Not fking happy!!!

isee

3,713 posts

204 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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I agree
with the regular disruptions the government could have afforded to repalce the staff and the working model a long time ago and it would all have been over by now.
I would much rather have tube disruption due to mass sacking and taking on new staff than have the tube disrupted for a wky reason with a 100% certainty that it will reoccur.

Swilly

9,699 posts

295 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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Problem with the Tube is that at grass-roots level it is a 1970s-like-unionised-working-class organisation.

The mindset is one of workers rights first, second and third.

Quality of service, customer service is non-existent generally. As individuals many/most LU staff are just normal people, but as an organisation they reach a critical mass of mediocrity.

They have a classis 1970s British union-driven work ethic.

isee

3,713 posts

204 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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Swilly said:
Problem with the Tube is that at grass-roots level it is a 1970s-like-unionised-working-class organisation.

The mindset is one of workers rights first, second and third.

Quality of service, customer service is non-existent generally. As individuals many/most LU staff are just normal people, but as an organisation they reach a critical mass of mediocrity.

They have a classis 1970s British union-driven work ethic.
hence they should be told to fk off if they got a problem with being pointed out that their level of service is st and that their salary raise/freeze will be in line with the private sector. oh and their pension.

sleep envy

62,260 posts

270 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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sack the lot of them and re-employ them outside of the union

bob crow is a utter cocktard

NDA

24,428 posts

246 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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Because, and as noted above, Bob Crow is a dick of the highest order.

carmadgaz

3,204 posts

204 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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music Today I'm gunna take my bike, cos once again the tubes on strike. The greedy bds want extra pay, for sitting on their arse all day. Even though they earn 30k. So I'm standing here in the pouring rain, where the fks my fking train.music

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYVJSOFZxDE

sleep envy

62,260 posts

270 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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actually, I am thankful for the strike in one respect

I'll be able to run over the fking idiot on his return journey later today, the one who ran across all four lanes of Park Lane without looking earlier this morning

Stu R

21,418 posts

236 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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sleep envy said:
sack the lot of them and re-employ them outside of the union

bob crow is a utter cocktard
yes

If ever a union needed it's existance revoking, t'is this one. A pox on them all.
Unfortunately his mentality and attitude is burned into the brains of the workers throughout the rail industry, utter pain in the arris to work alongside.

muckymotor

2,402 posts

242 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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Dupont666 said:
So I get out of the flat early (before 7am) to make sure I miss the crowds on the buses and trains only to find northern and victoria open.... WTF!!! I checked the website and didnt see fk all about it last night and yet in the rush to make the train/bus Im supposed to check just in case they change their fking mind!!!!

Thanks a bunch.... whilst im happy I got a seat, i have now been in the office since 7:30 and I usually dont get in till 9am....

Not fking happy!!!
Some of the lines didn't stop running last night, stick this in your bookmarks http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/...

Dupont666

Original Poster:

22,464 posts

213 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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muckymotor said:
Dupont666 said:
So I get out of the flat early (before 7am) to make sure I miss the crowds on the buses and trains only to find northern and victoria open.... WTF!!! I checked the website and didnt see fk all about it last night and yet in the rush to make the train/bus Im supposed to check just in case they change their fking mind!!!!

Thanks a bunch.... whilst im happy I got a seat, i have now been in the office since 7:30 and I usually dont get in till 9am....

Not fking happy!!!
Some of the lines didn't stop running last night, stick this in your bookmarks http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/livetravelnews/realtime/...
That usually is whilst at work, but late at night and early in the morning is not a time I check the realtime systems....

What gives Bob Crow the right to cause mass chaos? Is he trying to justify his job all the time? Or when his job is threatened does he just call a tube strike to show his power?

Oi_Oi_Savaloy

2,315 posts

281 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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carmadgaz said:
music Today I'm gunna take my bike, cos once again the tubes on strike. The greedy bds want extra pay, for sitting on their arse all day. Even though they earn 30k. So I'm standing here in the pouring rain, where the fks my fking train.music

www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYVJSOFZxDE
For what it's worth I think Tube drivers earn 40K......


I am as pissed off as everyone else here that they a) have the ability to strike in the first place b) want a pay rise and shorter working hours (unbelievable in any climate never mind this recession and c) are doing so in protest at how some of their other brethren have been treated as has been said in other posts.

It's an absolute disgrace.

neilsie

952 posts

267 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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So what would it take to make the trains driverless - as per the DLR.

Mattygooner

5,302 posts

225 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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It is shocking, but i would rather we let them strike than get a 5% pay increase. They can strike all they want but we cannot fold We shall go on to the end, we shall fight on Park Lane,
we shall fight on the seas and oceans,
we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in starbucks, we shall defend our pavements, whatever the cost may be,
we shall fight on the beaches,
we shall fight on the busses,
we shall fight in the parks and in the back streets,
we shall fight in the potholes;
we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this city or a large part of it were subjugated and starving without coffee and panini, then our Empire beyond the city, armed and guarded by the community support officers, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the underground.


Dupont666

Original Poster:

22,464 posts

213 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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So looking at it at the moment (only going back 2 years)

April 07 - Tube strike of job losses
Sept 07 - Tube strike of job losses
April 08 - tube strike on transfers and Pensions
August 08 - Tube strike until 10.1% pay rise deal over 2 years announced
June 09 - tube strike over 2 dismissal, job cuts and 5% pay rise, less hours working, job security of 4000 members that are needed to be cut to get out of multi billion £ black hole they are in.

Whats the bet they do on at the olympics and black mail the government for serious cash....

Noticed they also quoted that the recession is not their fault so why should they be penalised for it and why shouldnt they have a payrise... if thats the case, run the LU like a business and if it makes little money, cut staff and remove the pen pushers and someon take down Bob Crow....

TimmyHolland

661 posts

216 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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Wasn't impressed getting up at 7am to drop the mother to work when i had no other plans and a lie in was an option. Then picking her up later, what about the Lions match, WHAT ABOUT THE LIONS MATCH!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Isn't the average train driver salary around £30k?

TimmyHolland

661 posts

216 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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Any tube drivers of striking staff on PH? Care to fight your corner or share some insight?

Justin_Tvr

574 posts

206 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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TimmyHolland said:
Any tube drivers of striking staff on PH? Care to fight your corner or share some insight?
Or tell us where you all are today so we can send the heavies round.

I agree with all of the above totally discusting behaviour we all work hard and try to go about our day to day business but oh no these guys think they have the right to fk up the whole of London...

On another note Jubilee line was very quiet this morning

Scrubs

976 posts

225 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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TimmyHolland said:
Isn't the average train driver salary around £30k?
They are not train drivers (train drivers are on 40k+ easily). AFAIK tube drivers basic salary is around 32k.



Edited by Scrubs on Wednesday 10th June 10:54

TimmyHolland

661 posts

216 months

Wednesday 10th June 2009
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Scrubs said:
TimmyHolland said:
Isn't the average train driver salary around £30k?
They are not train drivers (train drivers are on 40k+ easily).


AFAIK

Edited by Scrubs on Wednesday 10th June 10:53
I might aswell pie off my degree, tube drivers get paid more.....