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I wonder what Operating System these beaurocrats at the EU commission use Windows? I cannot still believe in todays society why they are still bickering over the monopoly MS have. They are where they are primarily for the better OS/software they offer nothing else.
I've used what the competition have to offer. Linux Mint, looks good and works okay vs my XP machine, but ran slower crashed a lot so why would I use this? Mac OS, if you want to limit yourself to their own hardware/software then its v.good, but for others who do not want to use a dual boot system i.e. xp to play games and OSX for media.
I think it's time the EU put it to the public who underlyingly buy MS software/use it preinstalled on new PC purchases because I do not give two hoots that Windows has the monopoly in the OS market.
Someone else come up with a alternative software that is just as good or the EU just need to STFU and use my tax money for other petty pursuits.
All IMO
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8096701.stm
I've used what the competition have to offer. Linux Mint, looks good and works okay vs my XP machine, but ran slower crashed a lot so why would I use this? Mac OS, if you want to limit yourself to their own hardware/software then its v.good, but for others who do not want to use a dual boot system i.e. xp to play games and OSX for media.
I think it's time the EU put it to the public who underlyingly buy MS software/use it preinstalled on new PC purchases because I do not give two hoots that Windows has the monopoly in the OS market.
Someone else come up with a alternative software that is just as good or the EU just need to STFU and use my tax money for other petty pursuits.
All IMO
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8096701.stm
Linux ran slower?
You sure. I think something went wrong there. Due to the way it works it will work faster. Windows has to be slower due to the amount of memory needed to just run it.
Anyway I am sure Windows wont be making OS for a long time anymore, there is too much Open Source stuff coming in to regular users.
You sure. I think something went wrong there. Due to the way it works it will work faster. Windows has to be slower due to the amount of memory needed to just run it.
Anyway I am sure Windows wont be making OS for a long time anymore, there is too much Open Source stuff coming in to regular users.
Dumb question, maybe- but how can I download & install a web browser myself if I don't have a web browser already installed on my machine? Or will it be included in some connection menu like in the days when you could choose an ISP when setting up your modem connection? Seems pretty inconvenient compared to just googling chrome of mozilla.
I agree that the EU should just STFU about this. It might have mattered back in the Netscape vs IE days, but in the age of google, facebook and general internet aweareness, the advantage (and convenience) of having IE preinstalled is hardly an abuse of monopoly. Will they be chasing down Ubuntu next for preinstalling FireFox?
I agree that the EU should just STFU about this. It might have mattered back in the Netscape vs IE days, but in the age of google, facebook and general internet aweareness, the advantage (and convenience) of having IE preinstalled is hardly an abuse of monopoly. Will they be chasing down Ubuntu next for preinstalling FireFox?
Edited by glazbagun on Monday 29th June 13:46
It was okay for internet browsing etc, but even that had it's faults with Firefox occasionally crashing this and having to reconnect to the wireless network everytime you logged in.
But primarily I do a lot of photography and found the slideshow on Win XP to be instant between pictures whereas on Linux would take a couple of seconds between shots. Somewhat time consuming when I have catalogs of 300 shots to go through (3-5mb pictures)
It's good in it's own way, but for the majority of PC users, having to configure the machine through a terminal environment I also found off putting.
Not to detract away for its Linux Mint slick GUI
But primarily I do a lot of photography and found the slideshow on Win XP to be instant between pictures whereas on Linux would take a couple of seconds between shots. Somewhat time consuming when I have catalogs of 300 shots to go through (3-5mb pictures)
It's good in it's own way, but for the majority of PC users, having to configure the machine through a terminal environment I also found off putting.
Not to detract away for its Linux Mint slick GUI
glazbagun said:
Dumb question, maybe- but how can I download & install a web browser myself if I don't have a web browser already installed on my machine? Or will it be included in some connection menu?
I agree that the EU should just STFU about this. It might have mattered back in the Netscape vs IE days, but in the age of google, facebook and general internet aweareness, the advantage (and convenience) of having IE preinstalled is hardly an abuse of monopoly. Will they be chasing down Ubuntu next for preinstalling FireFox?
Can you have a Monopoly if it is all not for profit.I agree that the EU should just STFU about this. It might have mattered back in the Netscape vs IE days, but in the age of google, facebook and general internet aweareness, the advantage (and convenience) of having IE preinstalled is hardly an abuse of monopoly. Will they be chasing down Ubuntu next for preinstalling FireFox?
elster said:
glazbagun said:
Dumb question, maybe- but how can I download & install a web browser myself if I don't have a web browser already installed on my machine? Or will it be included in some connection menu?
I agree that the EU should just STFU about this. It might have mattered back in the Netscape vs IE days, but in the age of google, facebook and general internet aweareness, the advantage (and convenience) of having IE preinstalled is hardly an abuse of monopoly. Will they be chasing down Ubuntu next for preinstalling FireFox?
Can you have a Monopoly if it is all not for profit.I agree that the EU should just STFU about this. It might have mattered back in the Netscape vs IE days, but in the age of google, facebook and general internet aweareness, the advantage (and convenience) of having IE preinstalled is hardly an abuse of monopoly. Will they be chasing down Ubuntu next for preinstalling FireFox?
The Internet Explorer thing was a bit farsical, since it was free and if you had no internet browser on your windows install where the hell would you get one from (except of course downloading it from another machine and burning it to disk)
TBH i think MS missed a trick with internet explorer, they could have made windows explorer etc able to browse the internet in a very basic function and then charge £60 for internet explorer. I know there is now firefox and opera etc but how many people buy MSoffice... when openoffice is freely available.
TBH i think MS missed a trick with internet explorer, they could have made windows explorer etc able to browse the internet in a very basic function and then charge £60 for internet explorer. I know there is now firefox and opera etc but how many people buy MSoffice... when openoffice is freely available.
You do not need a "web browser" as such to download a web browser.
It should be easy enough for Microsoft to offer alternatives through Windows Update.
AFAIK Internet Explorer is rather tightly coupled with the operating system, which is either a very cynical corporate decision or completely retarded engineering decision. They may just hide it from view.
There are many ways to argue the "Microsoft monopoly" issue; some would say it has provided the "Death Star" against which the rebel forces could unite, and has thus been of net benefit.
I'm not sure about that. I do know that Internet Explorer is an utterly s
te web browser in every incarnation I have had the misfortune to use or develop websites for.
It should be easy enough for Microsoft to offer alternatives through Windows Update.
AFAIK Internet Explorer is rather tightly coupled with the operating system, which is either a very cynical corporate decision or completely retarded engineering decision. They may just hide it from view.
There are many ways to argue the "Microsoft monopoly" issue; some would say it has provided the "Death Star" against which the rebel forces could unite, and has thus been of net benefit.
I'm not sure about that. I do know that Internet Explorer is an utterly s
te web browser in every incarnation I have had the misfortune to use or develop websites for.Edited by HundredthIdiot on Monday 29th June 14:53
HundredthIdiot said:
You do not need a "web browser" as such to download a web browser.
It should be easy enough for Microsoft to offer alternatives through Windows Update.
AFAIK Internet Explorer is rather tightly coupled with the operating system, which is either a very cynical corporate decision or completely retarded engineering decision. They may just hide it from view.
There are many ways to argue the "Microsoft monopoly" issue; some would say it has provided the "Death Star" against which the rebel forces could unite, and has thus been of net benefit.
I'm not sure about that. I do know that Internet Explorer is an utterly ste web browser in every incarnation I have had the misfortune to use or develop websites for.
Yeah, right, whatever. Whilst I truly believe that MS are a bunch of a-holes, I still don't believe that all the Netscape Clones are any better.It should be easy enough for Microsoft to offer alternatives through Windows Update.
AFAIK Internet Explorer is rather tightly coupled with the operating system, which is either a very cynical corporate decision or completely retarded engineering decision. They may just hide it from view.
There are many ways to argue the "Microsoft monopoly" issue; some would say it has provided the "Death Star" against which the rebel forces could unite, and has thus been of net benefit.
I'm not sure about that. I do know that Internet Explorer is an utterly s
te web browser in every incarnation I have had the misfortune to use or develop websites for.Edited by HundredthIdiot on Monday 29th June 14:53
UncappedTag said:
YOu can browse the net through Windows Explorer anyhow to link to a proper browser to download
Isn't that just a window to IE though? that is to say if there was no IE, Windows Explorer wouldn't be able to do this?I'm guessing there'll be a list of "approved" browsers that you select and windows will download and install. Of course, MS can't dictate what the "approved" list is
else you'd have a list of one approved browser 
UncappedTag said:
YOu can browse the net through Windows Explorer anyhow to link to a proper browser to download
And that's exactly why Microsoft ended up in the st they did over Internet Explorer. If they had just offered a standalone browser pre-installed, no-one would have got too upset about it. But they entwined it within the rest of the operating system so that it was broadly useless without it. TeamD said:
Yeah, right, whatever. Whilst I truly believe that MS are a bunch of a-holes, I still don't believe that all the Netscape Clones are any better.
Do you build a lot of websites?What a load of crap. The EU should stay out of it.
IE didn't win the browser wars. Netscape 4.xx was miles behind in functionality, compatability, and reliability. And, to top it off they threw out their code base to 'start again', gifting MS several years to get even further ahead; a stupid decision from which they never recovered.
These days no-one would try to provide an OS without a browser, and this is a silly measure that will merely annoy consumers.
IE didn't win the browser wars. Netscape 4.xx was miles behind in functionality, compatability, and reliability. And, to top it off they threw out their code base to 'start again', gifting MS several years to get even further ahead; a stupid decision from which they never recovered.
These days no-one would try to provide an OS without a browser, and this is a silly measure that will merely annoy consumers.
What has always confused me is this: why don't Microsoft ship with IE, Firefox, Opera and Chrome pre-installed and let the users take their pick?
Answer? They know that IE is st in comparison to the others and no-one will use it.
That being the case:
1. Why do they care?
2. With all the resources to hand, why don't they BUILD A DECENT BROWSER? Seriously, they must have had to try really hard to make IE as bad as it is. Really hard.
Answer? They know that IE is s
t in comparison to the others and no-one will use it.That being the case:
1. Why do they care?
2. With all the resources to hand, why don't they BUILD A DECENT BROWSER? Seriously, they must have had to try really hard to make IE as bad as it is. Really hard.
HundredthIdiot said:
You do not need a "web browser" as such to download a web browser.
It should be easy enough for Microsoft to offer alternatives through Windows Update.
AFAIK Internet Explorer is rather tightly coupled with the operating system, which is either a very cynical corporate decision or completely retarded engineering decision. They may just hide it from view.
There are many ways to argue the "Microsoft monopoly" issue; some would say it has provided the "Death Star" against which the rebel forces could unite, and has thus been of net benefit.
I'm not sure about that. I do know that Internet Explorer is an utterly ste web browser in every incarnation I have had the misfortune to use or develop websites for.
Don't forget that the decision to integrate IE with the Windows Interface was probably made when the internet was a nice, safe, cuddley place rather than the cesspit it is now. I suspect the idea was to seamlessly integrate the OS with the internet. (Remember Active Desktop?)It should be easy enough for Microsoft to offer alternatives through Windows Update.
AFAIK Internet Explorer is rather tightly coupled with the operating system, which is either a very cynical corporate decision or completely retarded engineering decision. They may just hide it from view.
There are many ways to argue the "Microsoft monopoly" issue; some would say it has provided the "Death Star" against which the rebel forces could unite, and has thus been of net benefit.
I'm not sure about that. I do know that Internet Explorer is an utterly s
te web browser in every incarnation I have had the misfortune to use or develop websites for.Edited by HundredthIdiot on Monday 29th June 14:53
Nice idea but surely they must have seen it coming!
miniman said:
TeamD said:
Yeah, right, whatever. Whilst I truly believe that MS are a bunch of a-holes, I still don't believe that all the Netscape Clones are any better.
Do you build a lot of websites?TeamD said:
miniman said:
TeamD said:
Yeah, right, whatever. Whilst I truly believe that MS are a bunch of a-holes, I still don't believe that all the Netscape Clones are any better.
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