Fuel bill price rises

[james_tigerwoods]

I've just looked around and didn't see this, but I heard it on Radio 4:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8297882.stm

BBC News said:

Domestic energy bills in the UK could rise by 60% by 2016-17, the energy regulator has warned.

However, this would be the "spike" in bills, with prices estimated to rise between 14% and 25% above inflation by 2020, the Ofgem report explained.

Is it me or can we expect energy companies to raise bills to "invest in new infrastructure"so to "counter the announced energy deficit" and for it all to be "in the customer's best interests"?

Posted in the Lounge for better exposure - but will it be moved?

[BoRED S2upid]

Its time to invest in other forms of heat. Burn the trees I say!.

Shouldn't this be in the energy forum?.

[Matt_N]

We need to invest more into nuclear.

[james_tigerwoods]

Matt_N said:

We need to invest more into nuclear.

Yes. We do. We so do. Even some greenies agree with this.

But when you add in the political side (which politician is going to want a new Nuc power station in their constituency?) and the NIMBYs - there's nowhere you can put one.

[nelly1]

I wouldn't worry - we'll all be living in caves by then if the green nonsense thunders on unabated

It does annoy me when you hear adverts telling you if you use low-wattage high-mercury st-light bulbs, turn your Sky box and TV off standby and turn the thermostat down by a couple of degrees that you'll not only be helping to save the planet, but you'll save money on your energy bills...

Bollerks!!!

[Matt_N]

nelly1 said:

I wouldn't worry - we'll all be living in caves by then if the green nonsense thunders on unabated

Dont watch ITV tonight then, a big Govt backed advert regarding climate change will be shown during Coronation Street tonight.

[nelly1]

Matt_N said:

nelly1 said:

I wouldn't worry - we'll all be living in caves by then if the green nonsense thunders on unabated

Dont watch ITV tonight then, a big Govt backed advert regarding climate change will be shown during Coronation Street tonight.

The sort of people that watch Coronation Street have probably already been converted!

Shooting fish in a barrel...

[White-Noise]

I reckon if anyone thinks energy bills arent going to go through the roof at some point in the future they are in for a big shock!!

[Mars]

james_tigerwoods said:

Matt_N said:

We need to invest more into nuclear.

Yes. We do. We so do. Even some greenies agree with this.

But when you add in the political side (which politician is going to want a new Nuc power station in their constituency?) and the NIMBYs - there's nowhere you can put one.

There are numerous sites where nuclear stations either used to exist or are in the process of being decommissioned. The hard work regarding the public relations has largely been done in those locations.

[plasticpig]

james_tigerwoods said:

Matt_N said:

We need to invest more into nuclear.

Yes. We do. We so do. Even some greenies agree with this.

But when you add in the political side (which politician is going to want a new Nuc power station in their constituency?) and the NIMBYs - there's nowhere you can put one.

Alternatively we need to depopulate the north of Scotland and turn it into one giant wind farm or hope that several technological break through's lead to an efficient fusion power plant design

[Jasandjules]

Is it not required to pay for all the Greenie bull****? As I believe some on here have been advising for rather a long time?

Once the public start to realise exactly HOW much all this s**t is going to cost them, I bet some opinions change......

[Matt_N]

nelly1 said:

Matt_N said:

nelly1 said:

I wouldn't worry - we'll all be living in caves by then if the green nonsense thunders on unabated

Dont watch ITV tonight then, a big Govt backed advert regarding climate change will be shown during Coronation Street tonight.

The sort of people that watch Coronation Street have probably already been converted!

Shooting fish in a barrel...

Too true.

Apparently it will convince us that it is indeed all mans fault and we need to pay lots of money in taxes to make it better.

[Odie]

Matt_N said:

nelly1 said:

I wouldn't worry - we'll all be living in caves by then if the green nonsense thunders on unabated

Dont watch ITV tonight then, a big Govt backed advert regarding climate change will be shown during Coronation Street tonight.

The irony is that all the viewers of coronation street will have got up and put the kettle on while that adverts on, creating a large spike in energy consumption & missing the advert all together..

[ringram]

Its not going to be down to cost of investment. Take a look at the last years spike. Isolated incident, I think not.

[Adrian W]

BoRED S2upid said:

Its time to invest in other forms of heat. Burn the trees I say!.

Shouldn't this be in the energy forum?.

Burn the politicians and the hangers on!

[JagLover]

Jasandjules said:

Is it not required to pay for all the Greenie bull****? As I believe some on here have been advising for rather a long time?

Indeed it is

The cost of the renewables obligation is rising all the time as targets for renewable energy are increasing.

The advantage for the government of the 'renewables obligation' is that they (and their disciples in the media) can put the blame for rising Gas/electricty bills on 'greedy' power companies.

[funkyrobot]

I think news like this is generated to make us to 'accept' the rises when they happen. If the bills go up shortly (which we know they will) then the general populous will just accept it and say that they heard it would happen on the news. It's also a form of greeny scaremongering.

I think that they pave the way for the greedy energy companies to further rip off people by stating information like this. I heard about it on bbc this morning and was expecting it to be a report about how we are being ripped off; as it's a watchdog. But no, it's just more scaremongering and justification for even more price hikes.

I do find it odd that bills seem to go up straight away when there is a rise in the cost of energy, but never go down so quick (if they do indeed go down at all).

[Shoot Blair]

Odie said:

Matt_N said:

nelly1 said:

I wouldn't worry - we'll all be living in caves by then if the green nonsense thunders on unabated

Dont watch ITV tonight then, a big Govt backed advert regarding climate change will be shown during Coronation Street tonight.

The irony is that all the viewers of coronation street will have got up and put the kettle on while that adverts on, creating a large spike in energy consumption & missing the advert all together..

I like your thinking.

[Spiritual_Beggar]

I read headlines like this and I keep screaming one word in my head;


"NUCLEAR!!!"

[JagLover]

funkyrobot said:

I think news like this is generated to make us to 'accept' the rises when they happen. If the bills go up shortly (which we know they will) then the general populous will just accept it and say that they heard it would happen on the news. It's also a form of greeny scaremongering.

I think that they pave the way for the greedy energy companies to further rip off people by stating information like this. I heard about it on bbc this morning and was expecting it to be a report about how we are being ripped off; as it's a watchdog. But no, it's just more scaremongering and justification for even more price hikes.

I do find it odd that bills seem to go up straight away when there is a rise in the cost of energy, but never go down so quick (if they do indeed go down at all).

Perhaps in between ranting about greedy energy companies you could read this

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renewables_Obligation

The cost of the above is current aroung £1/2 a billion annually for energy consumers and that bill will rise rapidly under current targets.