Bliar Snubbed!! Blood on his hands!!!
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1219241/To...
Dailymail....but;
Father of Soldier killed in Irag refuses to shake Bliar's hand, telling him he's got "Blood on his hands!"
Dailymail....but;
Father of Soldier killed in Irag refuses to shake Bliar's hand, telling him he's got "Blood on his hands!"
tinman0 said:
grumbledoak said:
Thoroughly deserved. Shame more don't do it.
Playing devil's advocate a bit though, the son of this man was the one that signed up in the Army, and knew that it had inherent risks.OnTheOverrun said:
Indeed he did, but part of that signing up process involves the age old covenant between British govt and armed forces where they agree to fight in return for being properly equipped in the field and properly treated when injured, not getting sued to reclaim compensation and finding out labour have shut all the military hospitals and you're going NHS in a ward with islamic fundamentalists having a go at you while you struggle to breath.
If his father was arguing that it was kit (or lack of) then I wouldn't have a problem. I think its disgraceful that this particular Govt has asked so much of the armed forces but given them so little return.(IIRC the peace loving Labour Party from the CND years had fired more ammunition by 2000 than the previous war monger Tory administration had in 18 years.)
Oh honestly..
I'm not a labour supporter, espcially in recent years, but I supported the war in afghanistan, as did the majority of the British public at the time.
I didn't sit about expecting that the war would be sorted in the jingoistic timescales talked about at the time as I tend to think of myself as more of a realist.
I'd have been more upset if Blair had bottled at the time. Regardless of my party politics I'm prepared to stand up and say someone did the right thing, and be counted for that opinion later on.
As for the armed forces, they should thank their lucky stars they get seen in an NHS hospital rather than an Army one. The only army or civil service hospitals I can think of have little capability compared to the NHS ones.
I also hope never to see my son in any sort of conflict situation. And would urge him never to be in the armed forces. However if he chose that route I would have a frank discussion with him to forget any of the perks and look at the real possibility that in wartime he is at the whim of the prevailing government to put him in harms way. If I thought of him as an adult I'd then respect the next decision he made. I be crushed if anything happened to him, but i would honour his decision, something that this man has chosen publically not to do for his son.
Specialist centres for specialist wounds possibly accepted.
I'm not a labour supporter, espcially in recent years, but I supported the war in afghanistan, as did the majority of the British public at the time.
I didn't sit about expecting that the war would be sorted in the jingoistic timescales talked about at the time as I tend to think of myself as more of a realist.
I'd have been more upset if Blair had bottled at the time. Regardless of my party politics I'm prepared to stand up and say someone did the right thing, and be counted for that opinion later on.
As for the armed forces, they should thank their lucky stars they get seen in an NHS hospital rather than an Army one. The only army or civil service hospitals I can think of have little capability compared to the NHS ones.
I also hope never to see my son in any sort of conflict situation. And would urge him never to be in the armed forces. However if he chose that route I would have a frank discussion with him to forget any of the perks and look at the real possibility that in wartime he is at the whim of the prevailing government to put him in harms way. If I thought of him as an adult I'd then respect the next decision he made. I be crushed if anything happened to him, but i would honour his decision, something that this man has chosen publically not to do for his son.
Specialist centres for specialist wounds possibly accepted.
tinman0 said:
If his father was arguing that it was kit (or lack of) then I wouldn't have a problem. I think its disgraceful that this particular Govt has asked so much of the armed forces but given them so little return.
"The former prime minister was ushered away and afterwards Mr Brierley said: 'I understand soldiers go to war and die but they have to go to war for a good reason and be properly equipped to fight.'"julian64 said:
I'm not a labour supporter, espcially in recent years, but I supported the war in afghanistan, as did the majority of the British public at the time.
I'm not a labour supporter either but I certainly did not support the wars in afghanistan or iraq. I fail to understand how anyone could have thought that such an ill judged intervention could be either justified or expected to be in any way 'successful'.texasjohn said:
I noticed the chestful of medals Duke of Edinburgh is wearing in the pictures. Has he ever taken part in military service to earn them?
Naval serviceAfter leaving Gordonstoun in 1939, Prince Philip joined the Royal Navy, graduating the next year from the Royal Naval College, Dartmouth, as the top cadet in his course.[12] He was commissioned as a midshipman in January 1940. Philip spent four months on the battleship HMS Ramillies, protecting convoys of the Australian Expeditionary Force in the Indian Ocean. After shorter postings totalling two months on HMS Kent, HMS Shropshire and in Ceylon (now Sri Lanka), he was transferred from the Indian Ocean to the battleship HMS Valiant in the Mediterranean Fleet. Amongst other engagements, he was involved in the Battle of Crete, was mentioned in despatches for his service during the Battle of Cape Matapan, and was awarded the Greek War Cross of Valour.[12] Duties of lesser glory included stoking the boilers of the troop transport ship RMS Empress of Russia.[13]
Prince Philip was promoted to sub-lieutenant after a series of courses at Portsmouth in which he gained the top grade in four out of five sections.[14] In June 1942, he was appointed to the V&W class destroyer and flotilla leader, HMS Wallace, which was involved in convoy escort tasks on the east coast of Britain, as well as the allied invasion of Sicily.[15] Promotion to lieutenant followed on 16 July 1942. In October of the same year, at just 21 years of age, he became first lieutenant of HMS Wallace and one of the youngest first lieutenants in the Royal Navy. In 1944, he moved on to the new destroyer, HMS Whelp, where he saw service with the British Pacific Fleet in the 27th Destroyer Flotilla.[16][17] He was present in Tokyo Bay when the instrument of Japanese surrender was signed. In January 1946, Philip returned to Britain on the Whelp, and was posted as an instructor at HMS Royal Arthur, the Petty Officers' School in Corsham, Wiltshire.[18
OnTheOverrun said:
tinman0 said:
grumbledoak said:
Thoroughly deserved. Shame more don't do it.
Playing devil's advocate a bit though, the son of this man was the one that signed up in the Army, and knew that it had inherent risks.CivicMan said:
texasjohn said:
I noticed the chestful of medals Duke of Edinburgh is wearing in the pictures. Has he ever taken part in military service to earn them?
Naval serviceAfter leaving Gordonstoun in 1939, Prince Philip joined the Royal Navy, graduating the next year from the Royal Naval College, Dartmouth, as the top cadet in his course.[12] He was commissioned as a midshipman in January 1940. Philip spent four months on the battleship HMS Ramillies, protecting convoys of the Australian Expeditionary Force in the Indian Ocean. After shorter postings totalling two months on HMS Kent, HMS Shropshire and in Ceylon (now Sri Lanka), he was transferred from the Indian Ocean to the battleship HMS Valiant in the Mediterranean Fleet. Amongst other engagements, he was involved in the Battle of Crete, was mentioned in despatches for his service during the Battle of Cape Matapan, and was awarded the Greek War Cross of Valour.[12] Duties of lesser glory included stoking the boilers of the troop transport ship RMS Empress of Russia.[13]
Prince Philip was promoted to sub-lieutenant after a series of courses at Portsmouth in which he gained the top grade in four out of five sections.[14] In June 1942, he was appointed to the V&W class destroyer and flotilla leader, HMS Wallace, which was involved in convoy escort tasks on the east coast of Britain, as well as the allied invasion of Sicily.[15] Promotion to lieutenant followed on 16 July 1942. In October of the same year, at just 21 years of age, he became first lieutenant of HMS Wallace and one of the youngest first lieutenants in the Royal Navy. In 1944, he moved on to the new destroyer, HMS Whelp, where he saw service with the British Pacific Fleet in the 27th Destroyer Flotilla.[16][17] He was present in Tokyo Bay when the instrument of Japanese surrender was signed. In January 1946, Philip returned to Britain on the Whelp, and was posted as an instructor at HMS Royal Arthur, the Petty Officers' School in Corsham, Wiltshire.[18
AndrewW-G said:
Come on chaps its not as though the dosier outlining the case for invading Iraq and Afghanistan was just the notes of a student that had been downloaded off the net is it.................Blair, Winky & Bush should all be tried for their war crimes
And don't forget Campbell. tinman0 said:
grumbledoak said:
Thoroughly deserved. Shame more don't do it.
Playing devil's advocate a bit though, the son of this man was the one that signed up in the Army, and knew that it had inherent risks.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff