Singapore turn Plant Food Gas into Fart Gas.
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http://inventorspot.com/articles/singapore_discove...
Seems an excellent idea.
I wonder where their Silane from
Seems an excellent idea.
I wonder where their Silane from
An interesting process for sure, but this and anything else like it will have a slow uptake even after further development, otherwise the excuse to tax people and business into oblivion on a fake basis while controlling capitalism and population movement etc would disappear and that can't happen, not yet.
more tax more tax more tax more tax more tax planet safe? shhh more tax more tax more tax more tax more tax
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So it converts CO2 to what the call a clean fuel methanol (CH3OH)
They even show a flame suggesting you burn the fuel.
Have a guess what the products of burning methanol would be...
A nice closed self sustaining system that generates surplus energy.
Hmm - you don't normally get something for nothing (in fact you can't!), so where's the catch.
Perhaps it's the synthesis of the hydrosilanes from disilanes - which requires hydrogen under pressure? Which will require energy.
DOH
They even show a flame suggesting you burn the fuel.
Have a guess what the products of burning methanol would be...
A nice closed self sustaining system that generates surplus energy.
Hmm - you don't normally get something for nothing (in fact you can't!), so where's the catch.
Perhaps it's the synthesis of the hydrosilanes from disilanes - which requires hydrogen under pressure? Which will require energy.
DOH
Edited by FunkyGibbon on Wednesday 14th October 10:36
Dave^ said:
Rule 4 of Pistonheads....
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story....
Sorry! Methanol was used as racing fuel in Indycars up until a few years ago. That doesn't sound good either does it Never let the truth get in the way of a good story....
How about as an ingredient in the production of wierdy beardy biodiesel - slightly better ?
FunkyGibbon said:
So it converts CO2 to what the call a clean fuel methanol (CH3OH)
They even show a flame suggesting you burn the fuel.
Have a guess what the products of burning methanol would be...
A nice closed self sustaining system that generates surplus energy.
Hmm - you don't normally get something for nothing (in fact you can't!), so where's the catch.
Perhaps it's the synthesis of the hydrosilanes from disilanes - which requires hydrogen under pressure? Which will require energy.
DOH
I guess it depends if the energey required is exceeded by the possible energy output of the new compound?They even show a flame suggesting you burn the fuel.
Have a guess what the products of burning methanol would be...
A nice closed self sustaining system that generates surplus energy.
Hmm - you don't normally get something for nothing (in fact you can't!), so where's the catch.
Perhaps it's the synthesis of the hydrosilanes from disilanes - which requires hydrogen under pressure? Which will require energy.
DOH
Edited by FunkyGibbon on Wednesday 14th October 10:36
grumbledoak said:
Asterix said:
I guess it depends if the energey required is exceeded by the possible energy output of the new compound?
You might want to read up on your thermodynamics. 
grumbledoak said:
Asterix said:
I guess it depends if the energey required is exceeded by the possible energy output of the new compound?
You might want to read up on your thermodynamics. 
but to be helpful:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_thermodynamic...
Edited by FunkyGibbon on Wednesday 14th October 11:23
Asterix said:
I will, later - in the meantime, could you explain why I should with regards to my comment? Not being funny, honestly interested - I know nothing about the subject.
The three rules of thermodynamics are, in a nutshell1. You cannot win.
2. You cannot even break even.
3. You cannot leave the table.
Number 1, in this case, applies. They will not get more out than they put in.
Edited by grumbledoak on Wednesday 14th October 11:27
grumbledoak said:
Asterix said:
I will, later - in the meantime, could you explain why I should with regards to my comment? Not being funny, honestly interested - I know nothing about the subject.
The three rules of thermodynamics are, in a nutshell1. You cannot win.
2. You cannot even break even.
3. You cannot leave the table.
Number 1, in this case, applies. They will not get more out than they put in.
Edited by grumbledoak on Wednesday 14th October 11:27
No chance they can change these rules, bend them a bit...
I'll see what I can do in the shed over the weekend.
Ok - different tack then.
Could this be used for partial energy recovery - can the same energy that is being used to create the CO2, be used to partialy aid the secondary process of creating the methanol.
For instance - I believe that the process to smelt aluminium uses a huge amount of energy, but some of that is recouped by harnessing the steam/gasses from the process to drive turbines which in turn add some energy back to initial process.
Ok - different tack then.
Could this be used for partial energy recovery - can the same energy that is being used to create the CO2, be used to partialy aid the secondary process of creating the methanol.
For instance - I believe that the process to smelt aluminium uses a huge amount of energy, but some of that is recouped by harnessing the steam/gasses from the process to drive turbines which in turn add some energy back to initial process.
Asterix said:
Could this be used for partial energy recovery - can the same energy that is being used to create the CO2, be used to partialy aid the secondary process of creating the methanol.
I'm sure that is plausible at some level, though the article doesn't imply that the reaction requires much heat. Not sure where the energy 'in' comes into this one at present. Still, it offers a CO2-neutral cycle even if we'd have to power it by nuclear...Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff