Who should I vote for?

[raf_gti]

A brief list of my beliefs.

• I believe in fairness, success should not be penalised but encouraged. Similarly there has to come a point when the less successful have to accept they can't afford a bigger house/tv/car etc

• I abhor any kind of prejudice based on race, religion or sexuality but I also can't stand them being in 'your face' about it. Gay? great, just keep it to yourself and don't keep on making an issue of it by having gay rights associations for everything.

• Immigration. I wouldn't want to shut the door but neither do I want it left open over night for the entire world to walk in.

• Benefits. Hmm, there are people who out there who genuinely need help but also plenty who take the piss, is there a fair way to sort it out? I'd like to think so but I fear it may be generations before the 'take take' society is past us. Could any political party sort it?

I'm proud to be both Scottish & British and would love for both to become stronger but especially with the current Govt. I just can't see that happening.

I think Cameron is going in the right direction but can he really reverse what Labour have done?

[FNG]

raf_gti said:

A brief list of my beliefs.

• I believe in fairness, success should not be penalised but encouraged. Similarly there has to come a point when the less successful have to accept they can't afford a bigger house/tv/car etc

• I abhor any kind of prejudice based on race, religion or sexuality but I also can't stand them being in 'your face' about it. Gay? great, just keep it to yourself and don't keep on making an issue of it by having gay rights associations for everything.

• Immigration. I wouldn't want to shut the door but neither do I want it left open over night for the entire world to walk in.

• Benefits. Hmm, there are people who out there who genuinely need help but also plenty who take the piss, is there a fair way to sort it out? I'd like to think so but I fear it may be generations before the 'take take' society is past us. Could any political party sort it?

I'm proud to be both Scottish & British and would love for both to become stronger but especially with the current Govt. I just can't see that happening.

I think Cameron is going in the right direction but can he really reverse what Labour have done?

That's a basic outline of a Conservative. Help to those who need it, incentive to those who take their opportunities.

I agree Labour have created a third category, those who don't want an opportunity but expect help.

Labour don't want to reverse what they've done, in fact they're shifting up a gear in making matters worse.

If you're not happy voting Tory, ask yourself whether any other party has a cat in hell's chance of getting Labour out. And if they don't, what will happen. And if they fail to reverse the decline, how much worse it would have been with Broon at the controls of HMS Great Britain.

[Rob_T]

UKIP

[Fittster]

Why do you believe the current system can reflect your views? Maybe the problem is the system not the parties.

[Spiritual_Beggar]

Fittster said:

Why do you believe the current system can reflect your views? Maybe the problem is the system not the parties.

Don't think you're far wrong there.

When we consider how old fashioned and out of touch parliament is, then maybe we actually need to look at changing the way things are run


How you would go about making such changes, and what changes need to be made, are questions that require serious debate.

[Mclovin]

the tories handed the country over to labour with prosperity and low debt, labour hand the country back in ruins....

[raf_gti]

Mclovin said:

the tories handed the country over to labour with prosperity and low debt, labour hand the country back in ruins....

Was that really the case?

I remember there was a real sense of optimism when they came to power, surely that would not of been there had the Tories been as good as some people seem to 'remember'.

[thinfourth2]

IL_JDM said:

FNG said:

If you're not happy voting Tory, ask yourself whether any other party has a cat in hell's chance of getting Labour out.

Well put.

I'll be voting Tory.

Edited by IL_JDM on Friday 23 October 12:20

Ah yes the british political system

Labour voters vote labour not because they want labour incharge but because they don't want the torys incharge

While tory voters vote tory not because they want the torys incharge but because they don't want labour incharge

And we wonder why the country is fecked

[AndrewW-G]

raf_gti said:

Mclovin said:

the tories handed the country over to labour with prosperity and low debt, labour hand the country back in ruins....

Was that really the case?

I remember there was a real sense of optimism when they came to power, surely that would not of been there had the Tories been as good as some people seem to 'remember'.

There was need for a change and most people even ardent tory's like myself will accept that. However at the time of the handover, we did have low government debt and a booming economy, both of which formed the basis for winky's "I'm an economic genius" proclamations in the first term, it's as his policies have matured that its all gone to st!

[s2art]

thinfourth2 said:

IL_JDM said:

FNG said:

If you're not happy voting Tory, ask yourself whether any other party has a cat in hell's chance of getting Labour out.

Well put.

I'll be voting Tory.

Edited by IL_JDM on Friday 23 October 12:20

Ah yes the british political system

Labour voters vote labour not because they want labour incharge but because they don't want the torys incharge

While tory voters vote tory not because they want the torys incharge but because they don't want labour incharge

And we wonder why the country is fecked

Tory voters vote Tory because they dont want the economy ruined, and they believe in a small state with less bureaucratic interference.

[Fittster]

s2art said:

thinfourth2 said:

IL_JDM said:

FNG said:

If you're not happy voting Tory, ask yourself whether any other party has a cat in hell's chance of getting Labour out.

Well put.

I'll be voting Tory.

Edited by IL_JDM on Friday 23 October 12:20

Ah yes the british political system

Labour voters vote labour not because they want labour incharge but because they don't want the torys incharge

While tory voters vote tory not because they want the torys incharge but because they don't want labour incharge

And we wonder why the country is fecked

Tory voters vote Tory because they dont want the economy ruined, and they believe in a small state with less bureaucratic interference.

Well they are going to be disappointed by Dave. Not exactly planning to roll back the state is he?

[smn159]

raf_gti said:

A brief list of my beliefs.

• I believe in fairness, success should not be penalised but encouraged. Similarly there has to come a point when the less successful have to accept they can't afford a bigger house/tv/car etc

• I abhor any kind of prejudice based on race, religion or sexuality but I also can't stand them being in 'your face' about it. Gay? great, just keep it to yourself and don't keep on making an issue of it by having gay rights associations for everything.

• Immigration. I wouldn't want to shut the door but neither do I want it left open over night for the entire world to walk in.

• Benefits. Hmm, there are people who out there who genuinely need help but also plenty who take the piss, is there a fair way to sort it out? I'd like to think so but I fear it may be generations before the 'take take' society is past us. Could any political party sort it?

I'm proud to be both Scottish & British and would love for both to become stronger but especially with the current Govt. I just can't see that happening.

I think Cameron is going in the right direction but can he really reverse what Labour have done?

What aspects of 'what Labour have done' would you want to reverse and what do you think Cameron would do differently? All he seems to be promising is a change of tone rather than substance.

You believe in fairness (great, who doesn't?); under Labour the gap between the richest and poorest has never been greater, due largely to Browns taxation policy, but I've heard nothing from the Tories on how that's going to change.

[raf_gti]

smn159 said:

raf_gti said:

A brief list of my beliefs.

• I believe in fairness, success should not be penalised but encouraged. Similarly there has to come a point when the less successful have to accept they can't afford a bigger house/tv/car etc

• I abhor any kind of prejudice based on race, religion or sexuality but I also can't stand them being in 'your face' about it. Gay? great, just keep it to yourself and don't keep on making an issue of it by having gay rights associations for everything.

• Immigration. I wouldn't want to shut the door but neither do I want it left open over night for the entire world to walk in.

• Benefits. Hmm, there are people who out there who genuinely need help but also plenty who take the piss, is there a fair way to sort it out? I'd like to think so but I fear it may be generations before the 'take take' society is past us. Could any political party sort it?

I'm proud to be both Scottish & British and would love for both to become stronger but especially with the current Govt. I just can't see that happening.

I think Cameron is going in the right direction but can he really reverse what Labour have done?

What aspects of 'what Labour have done' would you want to reverse and what do you think Cameron would do differently? All he seems to be promising is a change of tone rather than substance.

You believe in fairness (great, who doesn't?); under Labour the gap between the richest and poorest has never been greater, due largely to Browns taxation policy, but I've heard nothing from the Tories on how that's going to change.

I'd change the way the country now appears to accept that it is ok to scrounge and not to work. Whether or not it is Labours fault or simply the British mentality I really don't know enough to say.

By fairness

[s2art]

Fittster said:

s2art said:

thinfourth2 said:

IL_JDM said:

FNG said:

If you're not happy voting Tory, ask yourself whether any other party has a cat in hell's chance of getting Labour out.

Well put.

I'll be voting Tory.

Edited by IL_JDM on Friday 23 October 12:20

Ah yes the british political system

Labour voters vote labour not because they want labour incharge but because they don't want the torys incharge

While tory voters vote tory not because they want the torys incharge but because they don't want labour incharge

And we wonder why the country is fecked

Tory voters vote Tory because they dont want the economy ruined, and they believe in a small state with less bureaucratic interference.

Well they are going to be disappointed by Dave. Not exactly planning to roll back the state is he?

You jest. How is he not going to roll back the state? He has to reduce public spending by billions.

[s2art]

smn159 said:

What aspects of 'what Labour have done' would you want to reverse

Most of it.

[Uhura_Fighter]

Have a look at your local independant candidate and see if you like what they have to say.

Or just choose one of "the big three" you dislike the least

Edited by Uhura_Fighter on Friday 23 October 19:05

[fluffnik]

Fittster said:

Why do you believe the current system can reflect your views? Maybe the problem is the system not the parties.

The system is largely self serving and is bloated beyond reason.

It needs pruned, at least.

[fluffnik]

s2art said:

Tory voters vote Tory because they dont want the economy ruined, and they believe in a small state with less bureaucratic interference.

...but they still get bloat and interference.

[s2art]

fluffnik said:

s2art said:

Tory voters vote Tory because they dont want the economy ruined, and they believe in a small state with less bureaucratic interference.

...but they still get bloat and interference.

True. Thatcher did try and reduce it, but its a herculean task battling the bureaucrats in the civil service (and local government, quangos etc).
Of the big parties, only the Tories have the desire to reduce the state.

[fluffnik]

smn159 said:

What aspects of 'what Labour have done' would you want to reverse

All the additional licencing and registration with associated bureaucracy must go.

All the laws that constrain freedoms must go.

All the thought crime laws must go.

Repealing everything they have done, by default, would not be a bad start - I'd keep all the freedoms gained however.

Mostly, the government should butt the fk out...