Iran Rejects U.N. Nuke deal

[Jimbeaux]

Oh my, what a surprise:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleea...

[zooooom]

All they have is some enriched uranium OOOOOW big scary Iran there going to nuke us all.
This is all about America and Israel planting the seeds for another invasion/war.
Iran has been opened about their nuclear programs; they have been subject to many UN inspections and in talks with them for years.
This is just double standards by Israel, they have hundreds maybe thousands of nuclear weapons/warheads and still deny there existence.
They even refuse to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or allow the UN to inspect their own nuclear program, which is in direct violation of UN Resolution 49/78. UN Resolution 48/71. UN Resolution48/78.
To name just a few of the many hundreds of UN violations Israel has ignored.

Edited by zooooom on Friday 23 October 23:46

[Traveller]

Here we go again..... Iraq, Afganistan, I wonder where next the bombs will fall. Lets not worry about the de facto civil war taking place in nuclear weapon armed pakistan, already confirmed as selling nuclear technology on the black market. The propaganda mill is cranking up nicely. How many innocents, sorry collaterals will be exterminated by the brave and courageous 30000 ft warfighters this time.

[WhoseGeneration]

Let's just have a nuclear war.
To remind us of what happens.
When ideology drives politicians.
Meaning, I ask, why have politicians.

[Jimbeaux]

zooooom said:

All they have is some enriched uranium OOOOOW big scary Iran there going to nuke us all.
This is all about America and Israel planting the seeds for another invasion/war.
Iran has been opened about their nuclear programs; they have been subject to many UN inspections and in talks with them for years.
This is just double standards by Israel, they have hundreds maybe thousands of nuclear weapons/warheads and still deny there existence.
They even refuse to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or allow the UN to inspect their own nuclear program, which is in direct violation of UN Resolution 49/78. UN Resolution 48/71. UN Resolution48/78.
To name just a few of the many hundreds of UN violations Israel has ignored.

Edited by zooooom on Friday 23 October 23:46

Let's see, we have France, Russia, and others involved in the deal Iran turned down. Neither of which owe anything to America or Israel. Israel also has not gone on record wanting to eliminate a nation. You are a well versed little party line follower, I will give you that.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 24th October 03:20

[6655321]

Jimbeaux said:

zooooom said:

All they have is some enriched uranium OOOOOW big scary Iran there going to nuke us all.
This is all about America and Israel planting the seeds for another invasion/war.
Iran has been opened about their nuclear programs; they have been subject to many UN inspections and in talks with them for years.
This is just double standards by Israel, they have hundreds maybe thousands of nuclear weapons/warheads and still deny there existence.
They even refuse to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or allow the UN to inspect their own nuclear program, which is in direct violation of UN Resolution 49/78. UN Resolution 48/71. UN Resolution48/78.
To name just a few of the many hundreds of UN violations Israel has ignored.

Edited by zooooom on Friday 23 October 23:46

Let's see, we have France, Russia, and others involved in the deal Iran turned down. Neither of which owe anything to America or Israel. Israel also has not gone on record wanting to eliminate a nation. You are a well versed little party line follower, I will give you that.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 24th October 03:20

As are you Jim, as are you. Iran has not said they want to eliminate a nation, that is something western meia has latched onto, and I'm sure you know that. The "wiped from the map" quote is often used for this context. Iran objects strongly against Israel but that is another subject, and not one that has anything to do with eradicating another nation.

[Traveller]

The US has done more for Iranian regional power than Iamadinnerjacket could have hoped for in the last 6 years. Isreal wants to push for this now, because once the S300 air defence system is operational, it will be costly trying to violate Iran's sovereignty. Strange how the countries being threatened or bombed are key to 21st century energy supplies.

[enioldjoe]

6655321 said:

Jimbeaux said:

zooooom said:

All they have is some enriched uranium OOOOOW big scary Iran there going to nuke us all.
This is all about America and Israel planting the seeds for another invasion/war.
Iran has been opened about their nuclear programs; they have been subject to many UN inspections and in talks with them for years.
This is just double standards by Israel, they have hundreds maybe thousands of nuclear weapons/warheads and still deny there existence.
They even refuse to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or allow the UN to inspect their own nuclear program, which is in direct violation of UN Resolution 49/78. UN Resolution 48/71. UN Resolution48/78.
To name just a few of the many hundreds of UN violations Israel has ignored.

Edited by zooooom on Friday 23 October 23:46

Let's see, we have France, Russia, and others involved in the deal Iran turned down. Neither of which owe anything to America or Israel. Israel also has not gone on record wanting to eliminate a nation. You are a well versed little party line follower, I will give you that.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 24th October 03:20

As are you Jim, as are you. Iran has not said they want to eliminate a nation, that is something western meia has latched onto, and I'm sure you know that. The "wiped from the map" quote is often used for this context. Iran objects strongly against Israel but that is another subject, and not one that has anything to do with eradicating another nation.

The meaning behind Ahmadinejad's talk is abundantly clear; his many quotes are free available for all to study. I wonder what he meant then when he described Israel as "A dried rotten tree that will collapse with a single storm"?

[Jimbeaux]

6655321 said:

Jimbeaux said:

zooooom said:

All they have is some enriched uranium OOOOOW big scary Iran there going to nuke us all.
This is all about America and Israel planting the seeds for another invasion/war.
Iran has been opened about their nuclear programs; they have been subject to many UN inspections and in talks with them for years.
This is just double standards by Israel, they have hundreds maybe thousands of nuclear weapons/warheads and still deny there existence.
They even refuse to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or allow the UN to inspect their own nuclear program, which is in direct violation of UN Resolution 49/78. UN Resolution 48/71. UN Resolution48/78.
To name just a few of the many hundreds of UN violations Israel has ignored.

Edited by zooooom on Friday 23 October 23:46

Let's see, we have France, Russia, and others involved in the deal Iran turned down. Neither of which owe anything to America or Israel. Israel also has not gone on record wanting to eliminate a nation. You are a well versed little party line follower, I will give you that.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 24th October 03:20

As are you Jim, as are you. Iran has not said they want to eliminate a nation, that is something western meia has latched onto, and I'm sure you know that. The "wiped from the map" quote is often used for this context. Iran objects strongly against Israel but that is another subject, and not one that has anything to do with eradicating another nation.

OK; then why is a deal being pushed by the US, and several nations with no particular love for the US, only the "doings of the US and Israel" ? I am asking an obvious and legitamate question. Do you have an answer or opinion regarding that?

[6655321]

enioldjoe said:

6655321 said:

Jimbeaux said:

zooooom said:

All they have is some enriched uranium OOOOOW big scary Iran there going to nuke us all.
This is all about America and Israel planting the seeds for another invasion/war.
Iran has been opened about their nuclear programs; they have been subject to many UN inspections and in talks with them for years.
This is just double standards by Israel, they have hundreds maybe thousands of nuclear weapons/warheads and still deny there existence.
They even refuse to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or allow the UN to inspect their own nuclear program, which is in direct violation of UN Resolution 49/78. UN Resolution 48/71. UN Resolution48/78.
To name just a few of the many hundreds of UN violations Israel has ignored.

Edited by zooooom on Friday 23 October 23:46

Let's see, we have France, Russia, and others involved in the deal Iran turned down. Neither of which owe anything to America or Israel. Israel also has not gone on record wanting to eliminate a nation. You are a well versed little party line follower, I will give you that.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 24th October 03:20

As are you Jim, as are you. Iran has not said they want to eliminate a nation, that is something western meia has latched onto, and I'm sure you know that. The "wiped from the map" quote is often used for this context. Iran objects strongly against Israel but that is another subject, and not one that has anything to do with eradicating another nation.

The meaning behind Ahmadinejad's talk is abundantly clear; his many quotes are free available for all to study. I wonder what he meant then when he described Israel as "A dried rotten tree that will collapse with a single storm"?

Yup, they are there to everyone. So how does the media get it so wrong? "Wiped from the map", "we don't have homosexuals in Iran", and plenty of others all miss-translated by the western media. It's ironic Iran is demonised as an evil entity, when at the same time that Iran has neither invaded anyone else, or been proven to be building up their arms, the accusers are in multiple conflicts in that very region, and giving free reign to a state with a get out of jail free card based on the holocaust.

I really like that when DinnerJacket says "a dried tree that will collapse with a single storm", and everyone points and shouts 'evil man', etc, and yet when the West describe his country in an axis of evil, no-one bats an eyelid. More hypocrisy, and telling for those that listen to it, without looking at either context, or Iranian phraseology.

[Jimbeaux]

Traveller said:

The US has done more for Iranian regional power than Iamadinnerjacket could have hoped for in the last 6 years. Isreal wants to push for this now, because once the S300 air defence system is operational, it will be costly trying to violate Iran's sovereignty. Strange how the countries being threatened or bombed are key to 21st century energy supplies.

The U.S. purchases no oil from Iran; I believe people fail to realize this. Canada is the largest exporter to the U.S. What people also fail to realize is that the U.S. exports refined gasoline to Iran.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_...

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 24th October 13:48

[enioldjoe]

6655321 said:

enioldjoe said:

6655321 said:

Jimbeaux said:

zooooom said:

All they have is some enriched uranium OOOOOW big scary Iran there going to nuke us all.
This is all about America and Israel planting the seeds for another invasion/war.
Iran has been opened about their nuclear programs; they have been subject to many UN inspections and in talks with them for years.
This is just double standards by Israel, they have hundreds maybe thousands of nuclear weapons/warheads and still deny there existence.
They even refuse to sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty or allow the UN to inspect their own nuclear program, which is in direct violation of UN Resolution 49/78. UN Resolution 48/71. UN Resolution48/78.
To name just a few of the many hundreds of UN violations Israel has ignored.

Edited by zooooom on Friday 23 October 23:46

Let's see, we have France, Russia, and others involved in the deal Iran turned down. Neither of which owe anything to America or Israel. Israel also has not gone on record wanting to eliminate a nation. You are a well versed little party line follower, I will give you that.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Saturday 24th October 03:20

As are you Jim, as are you. Iran has not said they want to eliminate a nation, that is something western meia has latched onto, and I'm sure you know that. The "wiped from the map" quote is often used for this context. Iran objects strongly against Israel but that is another subject, and not one that has anything to do with eradicating another nation.

The meaning behind Ahmadinejad's talk is abundantly clear; his many quotes are free available for all to study. I wonder what he meant then when he described Israel as "A dried rotten tree that will collapse with a single storm"?

Yup, they are there to everyone. So how does the media get it so wrong? "Wiped from the map", "we don't have homosexuals in Iran", and plenty of others all miss-translated by the western media. It's ironic Iran is demonised as an evil entity, when at the same time that Iran has neither invaded anyone else, or been proven to be building up their arms, the accusers are in multiple conflicts in that very region, and giving free reign to a state with a get out of jail free card based on the holocaust.

I really like that when DinnerJacket says "a dried tree that will collapse with a single storm", and everyone points and shouts 'evil man', etc, and yet when the West describe his country in an axis of evil, no-one bats an eyelid. More hypocrisy, and telling for those that listen to it, without looking at either context, or Iranian phraseology.

There may be some mistranslations by western media, there may not. But there is good reason to believe that Iran and indeed Islam has a mission to accomplish.

http://www.jcpa.org/text/ahmadinejad2-words.pdf

[6655321]

And as I said, the same can be said of the west... Constant mention of military action, military 'exercises', axis of evil, and so on and so forth. Hell, the constant barrage of supposed Iranian forces in Iraq that turned out to be utter piffle. I think if anyone in the region has a right to be defensive, it is Iran. I completely understand Iran's view of Israel, and the sudden insertion of Western forces around Iran, in Iraq, and Afghanistan as a threat.

[TheStig44]

The thing that gets me is, why do the likes of America, Russia , The UN and the like, seem to think they can tell other countries what they can and cant do.

Why are we allowed nuclear weapons yet Iran arn't? We all know how trigger happy the USA is, surely we should be more worried about what there upto than a seemingly neutral Iran.

In some ways it makes me admire North Korea. They stick 2 fingers up to America who seem to have taken it upon themselves to become the world police. (fk YEAH!)

[AndrewW-G]

TheStig44 said:

Why are we allowed nuclear weapons yet Iran arn't? We all know how trigger happy the USA is, surely we should be more worried about what there upto than a seemingly neutral Iran.

In some ways it makes me admire North Korea. They stick 2 fingers up to America who seem to have taken it upon themselves to become the world police. (fk YEAH!)

We've had them since 1945 and haven’t used them in anger since; the primary reasons for concern(ignoring the links to hamas and other terrorist groups) are currently the anti Israeli rhetoric spouted by Imadinnerjacket and the stability issues associated with the area, say what you like about the US, but they havent had a revolution recently and it doesnt look likely to happen soon

The US maybe trigger happy but they haven’t used proper nukes since WW2, weapons that may well have had significant impact on the outcome of the Vietnam War

It’s widely believed that North Koreas "nuclear programme" is little more than an effective way of eliciting foreign aid without damaging the reputation of their current regime

Like many others I'm as concerned with Pakastans nuclear arsenal, given the issues they seem to be facing at the moment

[Traveller]

Jimbeaux said:

Traveller said:

The US has done more for Iranian regional power than Iamadinnerjacket could have hoped for in the last 6 years. Isreal wants to push for this now, because once the S300 air defence system is operational, it will be costly trying to violate Iran's sovereignty. Strange how the countries being threatened or bombed are key to 21st century energy supplies.

The U.S. purchases no oil from Iran; I believe people fail to realize this. Canada is the largest exporter to the U.S. What people also fail to realize is that the U.S. exports refined gasoline to Iran.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_...

Will not argue the point but Iran does hold the key to controlling China, as it is and will become an even greater supplier of oil and natural gas to China, now that Iraq is under pretty much under direct US control. Iran is key not only to the regional power play but also the world resource power play between Europe, Russia, India, USA and China.

An additional and probably the main reason is Iran and Russia pushing to start trading oil in currencies other than the dollar. If they get China on board, then the dollars world reserve currency status would be in jeopardy, which for the US is not a good thing.

An interesting take on the global chess game.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&...

Edited by Traveller on Saturday 24th October 21:35

Edited by Traveller on Saturday 24th October 21:36

[Jimbeaux]

6655321 said:

supposed Iranian forces in Iraq that turned out to be utter piffle.

No, that statement is utter piffle.

[Jimbeaux]

TheStig44 said:

The thing that gets me is, why do the likes of America, Russia , The UN and the like, seem to think they can tell other countries what they can and cant do.

Why are we allowed nuclear weapons yet Iran arn't? We all know how trigger happy the USA is, surely we should be more worried about what there upto than a seemingly neutral Iran.

In some ways it makes me admire North Korea. They stick 2 fingers up to America who seem to have taken it upon themselves to become the world police. (fk YEAH!)

Neutral Iran? That is humorous.

[Jimbeaux]

Traveller said:

Jimbeaux said:

Traveller said:

The US has done more for Iranian regional power than Iamadinnerjacket could have hoped for in the last 6 years. Isreal wants to push for this now, because once the S300 air defence system is operational, it will be costly trying to violate Iran's sovereignty. Strange how the countries being threatened or bombed are key to 21st century energy supplies.

The U.S. purchases no oil from Iran; I believe people fail to realize this. Canada is the largest exporter to the U.S. What people also fail to realize is that the U.S. exports refined gasoline to Iran.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/pub/oil_gas/petroleum/data_...

Will not argue the point but Iran does hold the key to controlling China, as it is and will become an even greater supplier of oil and natural gas to China, now that Iraq is under pretty much under direct US control. Iran is key not only to the regional power play but also the world resource power play between Europe, Russia, India, USA and China.

An additional and probably the main reason is Iran and Russia pushing to start trading oil in currencies other than the dollar. If they get China on board, then the dollars world reserve currency status would be in jeopardy, which for the US is not a good thing.

An interesting take on the global chess game.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&...

Edited by Traveller on Saturday 24th October 21:35

Edited by Traveller on Saturday 24th October 21:36

You make some valid points.

[6655321]

Jimbeaux said:

6655321 said:

supposed Iranian forces in Iraq that turned out to be utter piffle.

No, that statement is utter piffle.

Well educate us then, Jim...