Illegal immigrants...amnesty?
Discussion
Am I the only one who believes that there could well some sort of amnesty for illegal immigrants in the UK some time early in the New Year?
Provided that they register at a valid address of course, thus becoming eligible to be registered on the electoral roll... an instant LARGE increase in voters for the Labour party to ensure they are returned to government.
Don't all p*ss yourselves laughing. it is NOT beyond the realms of possibility.
Or do I need to make a tinfoil hat?
Any thoughts?
Provided that they register at a valid address of course, thus becoming eligible to be registered on the electoral roll... an instant LARGE increase in voters for the Labour party to ensure they are returned to government.
Don't all p*ss yourselves laughing. it is NOT beyond the realms of possibility.
Or do I need to make a tinfoil hat?
Any thoughts?
If they do this, at the same time they should close borders unless you have a job to come to, or you are loaded. Similar to the American system.
If they do an amnesty without this, then I am with you guys and am "f
king off" to a warmer more civilised country with all my money and qualifications.. See where the country will be when everyone like me does the same. It will become a 3rd world within a year. Thats forward planning for you.. !
Morningside said:
As I have said before:
Labour. Importing voters since 1997.
....too bloody true....the b'stards.....and they don't even know the true figures of how many illegal immigrants that are here....and I am sure as hell they bloody well don't care....of course they would love to give them all an amnesty just for easy Labour votes.....jeez louise how I detest this bloody government....if I were younger I would be getting my arse away from this bankrupt and sorry country asap.Labour. Importing voters since 1997.
There is a difference between making someones stay in the UK legal and bestowing Citizenship.
By legalising someone, they would perhaps work in a regular job and pay taxes, the alternative being employment in the greymarket for cash.
This would not entitle them to vote, serve on a jury, join the armed forces and probably a few other things.
This is not to say I am in favour, just something to consider.
If it got them to buy car insurance it could be worth it
By legalising someone, they would perhaps work in a regular job and pay taxes, the alternative being employment in the greymarket for cash.
This would not entitle them to vote, serve on a jury, join the armed forces and probably a few other things.
This is not to say I am in favour, just something to consider.
If it got them to buy car insurance it could be worth it
I agree with the OP's sentiment.
Another scorched earther for CMD to deal with...... plus making a load of NL votes.
I wonder how many of them would be productive? For every job they take, there could be a homegrown loser doing it.
Rather than discussing the benefits, perhaps we should be discussing the current system and how it facilitates waste of taxes.
Edited dyselksia
Another scorched earther for CMD to deal with...... plus making a load of NL votes.
I wonder how many of them would be productive? For every job they take, there could be a homegrown loser doing it.
Rather than discussing the benefits, perhaps we should be discussing the current system and how it facilitates waste of taxes.
Edited dyselksia
Edited by Tangent Police on Tuesday 3rd November 00:45
jeff m said:
There is a difference between making someones stay in the UK legal and bestowing Citizenship.
By legalising someone, they would perhaps work in a regular job and pay taxes, the alternative being employment in the greymarket for cash.
This would not entitle them to vote, serve on a jury, join the armed forces and probably a few other things.
This is not to say I am in favour, just something to consider.
If it got them to buy car insurance it could be worth it
How about kicking the illegals out of the country without appeals.By legalising someone, they would perhaps work in a regular job and pay taxes, the alternative being employment in the greymarket for cash.
This would not entitle them to vote, serve on a jury, join the armed forces and probably a few other things.
This is not to say I am in favour, just something to consider.
If it got them to buy car insurance it could be worth it
Seriously punish those that employ them, not just a token slap on the wrist and stop the dole of those who choose to benefits lifestyle.
Just perhaps some of the lazy, fat scummy underclass will have to get a job and pay the tax the illegals might pay?
odyssey2200 said:
jeff m said:
There is a difference between making someones stay in the UK legal and bestowing Citizenship.
By legalising someone, they would perhaps work in a regular job and pay taxes, the alternative being employment in the greymarket for cash.
This would not entitle them to vote, serve on a jury, join the armed forces and probably a few other things.
This is not to say I am in favour, just something to consider.
If it got them to buy car insurance it could be worth it
How about kicking the illegals out of the country without appeals.By legalising someone, they would perhaps work in a regular job and pay taxes, the alternative being employment in the greymarket for cash.
This would not entitle them to vote, serve on a jury, join the armed forces and probably a few other things.
This is not to say I am in favour, just something to consider.
If it got them to buy car insurance it could be worth it
Seriously punish those that employ them, not just a token slap on the wrist and stop the dole of those who choose to benefits lifestyle.
Just perhaps some of the lazy, fat scummy underclass will have to get a job and pay the tax the illegals might pay?
Good luck with the "lazy fat scummy lot getting a job"
Often when there is a problem a scapegoat is found and is used to unite people into one way of thinking.
Diverting the attention from other things like Government spending.
IMO immigration as a whole not just ilegal has changed UK so much that it can never be the same again.
odyssey2200 said:
jeff m said:
There is a difference between making someones stay in the UK legal and bestowing Citizenship.
By legalising someone, they would perhaps work in a regular job and pay taxes, the alternative being employment in the greymarket for cash.
This would not entitle them to vote, serve on a jury, join the armed forces and probably a few other things.
This is not to say I am in favour, just something to consider.
If it got them to buy car insurance it could be worth it
How about kicking the illegals out of the country without appeals.By legalising someone, they would perhaps work in a regular job and pay taxes, the alternative being employment in the greymarket for cash.
This would not entitle them to vote, serve on a jury, join the armed forces and probably a few other things.
This is not to say I am in favour, just something to consider.
If it got them to buy car insurance it could be worth it
Seriously punish those that employ them, not just a token slap on the wrist and stop the dole of those who choose to benefits lifestyle.
Just perhaps some of the lazy, fat scummy underclass will have to get a job and pay the tax the illegals might pay?
Its very interesting and just kicking them out on site isn't as easy as it sounds.
From what I saw, catching them was the easier part, problem is if they dont have travel documents they have to be released until the relevant papers are sorted. They cannot lock them up in htis period as it can take months - hence the person is freed and todl to report to an immigration office, but they obviously run away.
They were also handing out fines of 10-50ok a piece on this program (up to 10k a worker) so peopel are being fined but its not stopping it.
Allowing these peopel to work legit whilst they are here makes sense, otherwise they will do it illegally anyway - and usually get abused.
Thanks for all of your input, hopefully more to come on this as I don't believe we've heard the last of this subject.
My personal view is that I wouldn't put it past Brown and his cohorts to try to pull off a stunt like this to remain on the gravy train for a few more years.
I would also remind all of the Civil Contingencies Act which could be invoked in the event of 'national crisis' haven't we got that now FFS? the possibilities for this are numerous including piggy 'flu, a perceived terrorist attack, natural disaster etc etc.
I think the book should stay open on this subject...
My personal view is that I wouldn't put it past Brown and his cohorts to try to pull off a stunt like this to remain on the gravy train for a few more years.
I would also remind all of the Civil Contingencies Act which could be invoked in the event of 'national crisis' haven't we got that now FFS? the possibilities for this are numerous including piggy 'flu, a perceived terrorist attack, natural disaster etc etc.
I think the book should stay open on this subject...
Mojooo said:
odyssey2200 said:
jeff m said:
There is a difference between making someones stay in the UK legal and bestowing Citizenship.
By legalising someone, they would perhaps work in a regular job and pay taxes, the alternative being employment in the greymarket for cash.
This would not entitle them to vote, serve on a jury, join the armed forces and probably a few other things.
This is not to say I am in favour, just something to consider.
If it got them to buy car insurance it could be worth it
How about kicking the illegals out of the country without appeals.By legalising someone, they would perhaps work in a regular job and pay taxes, the alternative being employment in the greymarket for cash.
This would not entitle them to vote, serve on a jury, join the armed forces and probably a few other things.
This is not to say I am in favour, just something to consider.
If it got them to buy car insurance it could be worth it
Seriously punish those that employ them, not just a token slap on the wrist and stop the dole of those who choose to benefits lifestyle.
Just perhaps some of the lazy, fat scummy underclass will have to get a job and pay the tax the illegals might pay?
Its very interesting and just kicking them out on site isn't as easy as it sounds.
From what I saw, catching them was the easier part, problem is if they don't have travel documents they have to be released until the relevant papers are sorted. They cannot lock them up in htis period as it can take months - hence the person is freed and todl to report to an immigration office, but they obviously run away.
They were also handing out fines of 10-50ok a piece on this program (up to 10k a worker) so peopel are being fined but its not stopping it.
Allowing these peopel to work legit whilst they are here makes sense, otherwise they will do it illegally anyway - and usually get abused.
I have watched Border Farce and also the Aussie version too.
IIRC they don't seem tot have the same problems in dealing with the situation.
It's quite simple really.
If you do not have the right documents to be here you are not allowed here.
You do not pass immigration ant the Port of entry.
Customs know which craft they arrived on and therefore where they have just come from.
Send them back!
Simples.
Its only difficult if you fanny around trying to be PC and make it difficult.
odyssey2200 said:
If you do not have the right documents to be here you are not allowed here.
You do not pass immigration ant the Port of entry.
Customs know which craft they arrived on and therefore where they have just come from.
Send them back!
Simples.
Its only difficult if you fanny around trying to be PC and make it difficult.
This is something I have never understood - why isn't it this simple? Documents allow you entry. Incorrect documents = no entry. It really shouldn't be any more complex than that. You do not pass immigration ant the Port of entry.
Customs know which craft they arrived on and therefore where they have just come from.
Send them back!
Simples.
Its only difficult if you fanny around trying to be PC and make it difficult.
Oli.
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