Tories quit after Cameron reneges over Lisbon

[anonymous-user]

2 Euro MEP's have resigned this morning, including the much respected Daniel Hannan. Hannan is one of the most admired Tory politicians having torn Winky a new one in a Brussells speech last year.

BBC said:

He wrote in his Daily Telegraph blog that he had returned to the backbenches to build a movement that would "push for referendums, citizens' initiatives and the rest of the paraphernalia of direct democracy".

The other Tory MEP to quit is Employment spokesman Roger Helmer.

[Jasandjules]

It's a start.

[Tangent Police]

Just as Labour wanted.

What is so fking complicated about "The treaty is happened, we can't have a referendum on it".

Are we in the remedial class all of a sudden?

fking christ alive.

[Jasandjules]

Tangent Police said:

What is so fking complicated about "The treaty is happened, we can't have a referendum on it".

Whyever not? No Parliament can bind it's successor. And we have Sovereign power.

[Halb]

unrepentant said:

2 Euro MEP's have resigned this morning, including the much respected Daniel Hannan. Hannan is one of the most admired Tory politicians having torn Winky a new one in a Brussells speech last year.

He is also the chap that said that he, "wouldn't wish the NHS 'on anyone'", which prompted Hannan has "some rather eccentric points of view" from Dave.

Though I think he is heading in the right direction with his electoral reform

wiki said:

Electoral reform

Hannan argues in his writings and in the media (for example, during an appearance on Question Time on BBC television on 28 May 2009) for ballot initiatives (whereby electors can directly enact legislation as happens in California), a power of recall (whereby a sitting Member of Parliament can be forced to submit to re-election if enough of his local electorate support this), fixed term parliaments, local and national referendums, open primaries and the abolition of party lists

Edited by Halb on Thursday 5th November 11:49

[anonymous-user]

Jasandjules said:

Tangent Police said:

What is so fking complicated about "The treaty is happened, we can't have a referendum on it".

Whyever not? No Parliament can bind it's successor. And we have Sovereign power.

Absolutely correct. Which is why CMD should have written to the EU commission and all member states and told them that come what may he would not renege on his promise to the British people, as Brown did, and give them a referendum. And if that referendum came back with a NO vote he would reserve the right to withdraw Britains signature from the treaty and they could deal with the consequences.

[loltolhurst]

does that mean hannan will return to the houses of parliament ( ie is he an actual mp as well as mep not sure how it works ). if so could be v entertaining!

Edited by loltolhurst on Thursday 5th November 12:11

[anonymous-user]

loltolhurst said:

does that mean hannan will return to the houses of parliament ( ie is he an actual mp as well as mep not sure how it works ). if so could be v entertaining!

Hannan is not an MP. Not sure if he's on the list for the next GE?

[tank slapper]

Hannan is an MEP and has just been re-elected, so I doubt he will be standing for parliament here, although it would be entertaining.

What is wrong with people's reading comprehension lately? Cameron hasn't reneged on anything. He promised a referendum on the Lisbon treaty if it had not been ratified. It has now been ratified, ergo no referendum. People should be directing their anger towards the fool in number 10 and his cronies, who most specifically did promise a referendum and then decided that it wouldn't get the right answer, so didn't bother.

It seems to me that Cameron is being realistic - promising something that he couldn't possibly deliver would be counter-productive, and so he has to find a different way. A knee-jerk withdrawal from the EU would be pretty damaging to UK in the short term, and if there is to be a change in relationship with the EU it should be done rationally and not by those shouting the loudest. It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few years, but it isn't an issue that is going to go away.

Edited by tank slapper on Thursday 5th November 13:36

[turbobloke]

tank slapper said:

What is wrong with people's reading comprehension lately? Cameron hasn't reneged on anything. He promised a referendum on the Lisbon treaty if it had not been ratified. It has now been ratified, ergo no referendum. People should be directing their anger towards the fool in number 10 and his cronies, who most specifically did promise a referendum and then decided that it wouldn't get the right answer, so didn't bother.

Quite right.

The BBC seem to be up to their usual tricks of not mentioning the ratification caveat when reporting on CMD's 'guarantee', forgetting completely the nulab manifesto promise of a vote, others then follow suit. The beeb gives every impression of trying to whip up a storm over europe to try and scupper the tories with loyal (biased) support for their labour luvves who are facing oblivion.

[OnTheOverrun]

On the bright side, how refreshing to have politicians resign on a point of political principle, rather than being dragged kicking and screaming from office after huge incompetence and fraud.

[TheD]

OnTheOverrun said:

On the bright side, how refreshing to have politicians resign on a point of political principle, rather than being dragged kicking and screaming from office after huge incompetence and fraud.

I agree with this rather than "I don't agree with what you say but I'm a snivelling, money grabbing, like the power, fking coward and I will stick by you" approach

[DAVEVO9]

CMD is now known as "CID"

Cast Iron Dave

Pass it on..

[F i F]

DAVEVO9 said:

CMD is now known as "CID"

Cast Iron Dave

Pass it on..

Unless you are winky when you get the words the wrong way round "ICD" Iron Cast Dave. :jaw slackens - audible inhalation whilst thinking DOH!:

[B Oeuf]

This should clear it up

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/e...

it's another media brainfart

[DAVEVO9]

F i F said:

DAVEVO9 said:

CMD is now known as "CID"

Cast Iron Dave

Pass it on..

Unless you are winky when you get the words the wrong way round "ICD" Iron Cast Dave. :jaw slackens - audible inhalation whilst thinking DOH!:

Saw that on PMQ's

Edited by DAVEVO9 on Thursday 5th November 16:35

[Bluebarge]

How many threads on this do you guys need?

Get a room.

[anonymous-user]

Bluebarge said:

How many threads on this do you guys need?

Get a room.

Someone forcing you to read it then?

[pacman1]

unrepentant said:

Jasandjules said:

Tangent Police said:

What is so fking complicated about "The treaty is happened, we can't have a referendum on it".

Whyever not? No Parliament can bind it's successor. And we have Sovereign power.

Absolutely correct. Which is why CMD should have written to the EU commission and all member states and told them that come what may he would not renege on his promise to the British people, as Brown did, and give them a referendum. And if that referendum came back with a NO vote he would reserve the right to withdraw Britains signature from the treaty and they could deal with the consequences.

Now, I really like the sound of that. If his chance at PM were in jeopardy because enough grass root Tories kicked up a stink, would it be enough to make him change his stance? Or is it too late..

[turbobloke]

Yes. The art of the possible, to say it again.