Obama's thoughts on Islam?
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Oh dear, some people clearly think that its wrong to be a Muslim or to have a president who might be a Muslim. How bizarre. To be honest, who cares if he is or not - does it matter? Surely what matters most is if he is a good president or not - if he's crap then get him out. If he's good then great. Since when did religion matter that much?
off_again said:
Oh dear, some people clearly think that its wrong to be a Muslim or to have a president who might be a Muslim. How bizarre. To be honest, who cares if he is or not - does it matter? Surely what matters most is if he is a good president or not - if he's crap then get him out. If he's good then great. Since when did religion matter that much?
Read the Quoran?ivanj said:
^^^^ I assume you've never been to Tennessee.
Sad but true. Christian fundamentalists are quite a scary lot and - if Louis Theroux is to be believed - the southern states are swarming with them.Have to say virtually all the Americans I've actually met have been interesting, intelligent, cultured people, however George Bush can't have been alone. Someone must have voted him in, in between sitting on their porch playing the banjo and plotting the demise of the New World Order.
Tafia said:
off_again said:
Oh dear, some people clearly think that its wrong to be a Muslim or to have a president who might be a Muslim. How bizarre. To be honest, who cares if he is or not - does it matter? Surely what matters most is if he is a good president or not - if he's crap then get him out. If he's good then great. Since when did religion matter that much?
Read the Quoran?Anyone who takes either of those as a set of instructions rather than a set of fables is a fool. The majority of Muslims and Christians interpret the message of their chosen holy book for modern times.
ewenm said:
Tafia said:
off_again said:
Oh dear, some people clearly think that its wrong to be a Muslim or to have a president who might be a Muslim. How bizarre. To be honest, who cares if he is or not - does it matter? Surely what matters most is if he is a good president or not - if he's crap then get him out. If he's good then great. Since when did religion matter that much?
Read the Quoran?Anyone who takes either of those as a set of instructions rather than a set of fables is a fool. The majority of Muslims and Christians are f
king idiots, in fact most "believers" fall into that category.
Give me a packet of Doritos, a few cans of diet coke, the raw film footage and a few hours and I could "prove" that Obama is a Martian far more believably than this clip proves his an islamist. George Bush(jnr) listed Star Wars as one of his favourite films, it doesn’t make him a Jedi or a Sith
As long as a the “teachings” of somebody’s imaginary friend, don’t interfere with their ability to do the job, I have no problem with any person of any faith holding a position of power, provided that they have been democratically elected.
As long as a the “teachings” of somebody’s imaginary friend, don’t interfere with their ability to do the job, I have no problem with any person of any faith holding a position of power, provided that they have been democratically elected.
AndrewW-G said:
As long as a the “teachings” of somebody’s imaginary friend, don’t interfere with their ability to do the job, I have no problem with any person of any faith holding a position of power, provided that they have been democratically elected.
I think the bottom line is though that somebody who believes in a higher power will always (in theory) answer them before the people that democratically elected them.Isn't that why you can't be catholic and prime minister? Because your allegiance would always lie with the vatican before Britaim?
G_T said:
AndrewW-G said:
As long as a the “teachings” of somebody’s imaginary friend, don’t interfere with their ability to do the job, I have no problem with any person of any faith holding a position of power, provided that they have been democratically elected.
I think the bottom line is though that somebody who believes in a higher power will always (in theory) answer them before the people that democratically elected them.Isn't that why you can't be catholic and prime minister? Because your allegiance would always lie with the vatican before Britaim?
nonegreen said:
G_T said:
AndrewW-G said:
As long as a the “teachings” of somebody’s imaginary friend, don’t interfere with their ability to do the job, I have no problem with any person of any faith holding a position of power, provided that they have been democratically elected.
I think the bottom line is though that somebody who believes in a higher power will always (in theory) answer them before the people that democratically elected them.Isn't that why you can't be catholic and prime minister? Because your allegiance would always lie with the vatican before Britaim?
My biggest concern would be them buckling to similar minded religious group's agendas. Things like abortion laws and stem cell research were heavily influenced by those lobbyist groups despite them making up a minority of people.
G_T said:
nonegreen said:
G_T said:
AndrewW-G said:
As long as a the “teachings” of somebody’s imaginary friend, don’t interfere with their ability to do the job, I have no problem with any person of any faith holding a position of power, provided that they have been democratically elected.
I think the bottom line is though that somebody who believes in a higher power will always (in theory) answer them before the people that democratically elected them.Isn't that why you can't be catholic and prime minister? Because your allegiance would always lie with the vatican before Britaim?
ked.Point 1: Obama is a socialist/marxist (never met a government beauraucracy he didn't liked) and so that probably dictates an agnostic spiritual disposition at the least. Obama's religious convictions, like all politicians, stop at the ballot box. I take Obama at face value that he doesn't share Jerimiah Wright's beliefs because, well, he's a politician. A church pew (any church pew), to a politician, contains voters who are used to being told or led in a specific direction.
Point 2: For any of you that have spent more than a year in the "deep South" in the States, you will recognise the role that organised religion (especially Christian based) plays in the scheme of things. It is a social gathering punctuated by gossip with, every now and then, an attempt at instilling a little moral fiber into the younger generation through tales of yore gleaned from "the book" (Bible, Talmud, Qur'an, whatever). Despite what some "journalists" would have one believe, the days of the puritan ethos have moved on. Some of the hottest times I had in my formative years were with the daughter of a Baptist preacher in Montgomery, Alabama (surely the very BUCKLE of the bible belt) Second hottest were with the daughter of a Rabbi, but I digress.
Point 3: For those that are, after reading this, tempted to run out to t'internet and grab the first story of fundamentalist Christian huxterism and assorted festivities, I say to you this: I can open the Daily Mail, Guardian, etc web site and find any number of stories concerning issues with the least common denominator of society in Blighty, but I certainly would't judge every person from the UK (or even a region in the UK) by the standards of Kev and Bianca (or indeed Posh and Becks).
Point 4: I also have the reverse speech for my American colleagues when they point out certain British stereotypes that leave facts at the door.
Cheers
Guinness of course
Point 2: For any of you that have spent more than a year in the "deep South" in the States, you will recognise the role that organised religion (especially Christian based) plays in the scheme of things. It is a social gathering punctuated by gossip with, every now and then, an attempt at instilling a little moral fiber into the younger generation through tales of yore gleaned from "the book" (Bible, Talmud, Qur'an, whatever). Despite what some "journalists" would have one believe, the days of the puritan ethos have moved on. Some of the hottest times I had in my formative years were with the daughter of a Baptist preacher in Montgomery, Alabama (surely the very BUCKLE of the bible belt) Second hottest were with the daughter of a Rabbi, but I digress.
Point 3: For those that are, after reading this, tempted to run out to t'internet and grab the first story of fundamentalist Christian huxterism and assorted festivities, I say to you this: I can open the Daily Mail, Guardian, etc web site and find any number of stories concerning issues with the least common denominator of society in Blighty, but I certainly would't judge every person from the UK (or even a region in the UK) by the standards of Kev and Bianca (or indeed Posh and Becks).
Point 4: I also have the reverse speech for my American colleagues when they point out certain British stereotypes that leave facts at the door.
Cheers
Guinness of course
Edited by ErnestM on Friday 13th November 17:35
Bill said:
KB_S1 said:
Some pretty heavy editing going on there!
With that amount of editing you could make anyone say pretty much anything.I know Oba corrected himself when he referred to: my Muslim faith" as I saw the full interview
Tafia said:
off_again said:
Oh dear, some people clearly think that its wrong to be a Muslim or to have a president who might be a Muslim. How bizarre. To be honest, who cares if he is or not - does it matter? Surely what matters most is if he is a good president or not - if he's crap then get him out. If he's good then great. Since when did religion matter that much?
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