What a great leap forward for women police officers!
What a great leap forward for women police officers!
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Kermit power

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29,622 posts

243 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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Eric Mc

125,679 posts

295 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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Shop liftiong is often a sign of underlying psychological or emotional problems - rather than an indication of stupidity.

Frederick

5,893 posts

250 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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I bet she'll turn out to be one of these people who "does it for the buzz" - just like Winona Ryder. IMO she should be sacked for it.

Kermit power

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29,622 posts

243 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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Frederick said:
I bet she'll turn out to be one of these people who "does it for the buzz" - just like Winona Ryder. IMO she should be sacked for it.
If she's found guilty, is that not an automatic sacking for a police officer?

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

241 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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If it's a conviction for theft unless some severe underlying mental health issue then it should be dismissal. If it's the former then it may not be clear cut.

Frederick

5,893 posts

250 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
If it's a conviction for theft unless some severe underlying mental health issue then it should be dismissal. If it's the former then it may not be clear cut.
Surely though if someone in that position is found to have "severe underlying mental health issues" then they'd be expected to resign on medical grounds. No-one wants a self-classified nutcase chief inspector?

Edited by Frederick on Saturday 28th November 14:40

esselte

14,626 posts

297 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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Frederick said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
If it's a conviction for theft unless some severe underlying mental health issue then it should be dismissal. If it's the former then it may not be clear cut.
Surely though if someone in that position is found to have "severe underlying mental health issues" then they'd be expected to resign on medical grounds. No-one wants a self-classified nutcase chief inspector?

Edited by Frederick on Saturday 28th November 14:40
No,it'll be "retired" on medical grounds, how else will she keep her pension...rolleyes

Eric Mc

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295 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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People can go through a period in their life where, for some reason or other, they can experience mental health issues. They can also recover from these problems, if treated properly.

It is far too early in this case to be casting judgement on this individual's behaviour. That will be for the medical people - and possibly the courts - to decide.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

292 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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Eric Mc said:
People can go through a period in their life where, for some reason or other, they can experience mental health issues. They can also recover from these problems, if treated properly.

It is far too early in this case to be casting judgement on this individual's behaviour. That will be for the medical people - and possibly the courts - to decide.
Absolutely correct Eric, this woman has, for some reason, totally inverted her lifestyle.

Most odd though, does make you wonder.

"The Mental"?

Eric Mc

125,679 posts

295 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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Absolutely sounds like it to me.

Somewhatfoolish

5,083 posts

216 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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Far more likely is she was using some as a sample, as loadsa women do every day...

cymtriks

4,561 posts

275 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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esselte said:
Frederick said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
If it's a conviction for theft unless some severe underlying mental health issue then it should be dismissal. If it's the former then it may not be clear cut.
Surely though if someone in that position is found to have "severe underlying mental health issues" then they'd be expected to resign on medical grounds. No-one wants a self-classified nutcase chief inspector?

Edited by Frederick on Saturday 28th November 14:40
No,it'll be "retired" on medical grounds, how else will she keep her pension...rolleyes
Does an employee lose a pension if they are sacked?

Surely she'd keep what she had accrued to the date of dismissal?

Deva Link

26,934 posts

275 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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Kermit power said:
If she's found guilty, is that not an automatic sacking for a police officer?
Seems not:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7936041.stm

esselte

14,626 posts

297 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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cymtriks said:
esselte said:
Frederick said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
If it's a conviction for theft unless some severe underlying mental health issue then it should be dismissal. If it's the former then it may not be clear cut.
Surely though if someone in that position is found to have "severe underlying mental health issues" then they'd be expected to resign on medical grounds. No-one wants a self-classified nutcase chief inspector?

Edited by Frederick on Saturday 28th November 14:40
No,it'll be "retired" on medical grounds, how else will she keep her pension...rolleyes
Does an employee lose a pension if they are sacked?

Surely she'd keep what she had accrued to the date of dismissal?
I don't know,it just a throwaway post from me really,sorry.Maybe she'll get her contributions back?

Edited by esselte on Saturday 28th November 19:59

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

241 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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Here we go again with that badly written article and selective figures. It doesn't reflect the nature of convictions. Whether they are spent etc prior to starting in the police. It also does not state whether they relate to offences concerning arrests of offenders where officers get it wrong. I know an officer convicted of common assault and public orde after grabbing hold of a person who was damaging his car and calling him a little st. It was a technicality on the assault and the word st was enough for s5. He is an excellent hard working officer. Should he lose his job?

In this case unless she's mentally ill she will be gone. As will most of her pension.

eldar

25,287 posts

226 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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Mr_annie_vxr said:
Here we go again with that badly written article and selective figures. It doesn't reflect the nature of convictions. Whether they are spent etc prior to starting in the police. It also does not state whether they relate to offences concerning arrests of offenders where officers get it wrong. I know an officer convicted of common assault and public orde after grabbing hold of a person who was damaging his car and calling him a little st. It was a technicality on the assault and the word st was enough for s5. He is an excellent hard working officer. Should he lose his job?

In this case unless she's mentally ill she will be gone. As will most of her pension.
Why will her pension go? Would it she was physically ill?

Jasandjules

72,605 posts

259 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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Kermit power said:
Oh dear.

esselte

14,626 posts

297 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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eldar said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Here we go again with that badly written article and selective figures. It doesn't reflect the nature of convictions. Whether they are spent etc prior to starting in the police. It also does not state whether they relate to offences concerning arrests of offenders where officers get it wrong. I know an officer convicted of common assault and public orde after grabbing hold of a person who was damaging his car and calling him a little st. It was a technicality on the assault and the word st was enough for s5. He is an excellent hard working officer. Should he lose his job?

In this case unless she's mentally ill she will be gone. As will most of her pension.
Why will her pension go? Would it she was physically ill?
I think Annie meant that unless she was mentally ill her pension would go...

eldar

25,287 posts

226 months

Saturday 28th November 2009
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esselte said:
eldar said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Here we go again with that badly written article and selective figures. It doesn't reflect the nature of convictions. Whether they are spent etc prior to starting in the police. It also does not state whether they relate to offences concerning arrests of offenders where officers get it wrong. I know an officer convicted of common assault and public orde after grabbing hold of a person who was damaging his car and calling him a little st. It was a technicality on the assault and the word st was enough for s5. He is an excellent hard working officer. Should he lose his job?

In this case unless she's mentally ill she will be gone. As will most of her pension.
Why will her pension go? Would it she was physically ill?
I think Annie meant that unless she was mentally ill her pension would go...
Ah, I think he did. Tasmile

Mr_annie_vxr

9,270 posts

241 months

Sunday 29th November 2009
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eldar said:
esselte said:
eldar said:
Mr_annie_vxr said:
Here we go again with that badly written article and selective figures. It doesn't reflect the nature of convictions. Whether they are spent etc prior to starting in the police. It also does not state whether they relate to offences concerning arrests of offenders where officers get it wrong. I know an officer convicted of common assault and public orde after grabbing hold of a person who was damaging his car and calling him a little st. It was a technicality on the assault and the word st was enough for s5. He is an excellent hard working officer. Should he lose his job?

In this case unless she's mentally ill she will be gone. As will most of her pension.
Why will her pension go? Would it she was physically ill?
I think Annie meant that unless she was mentally ill her pension would go...
Ah, I think he did. Tasmile
She would still get a pension but the police pension only really gets good in the last few years and if you fk up you cannot get it until 60 or 65 etc etc. You massively screw yourself.