There is something about steam trains...
There is something about steam trains...
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s2art

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18,942 posts

283 months

Thursday 24th December 2009
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8428097.stm

'He added: "If any of the train operators want to modernise their services by using steam trains, I would be happy to give them a quote."

Goochie

5,797 posts

249 months

Thursday 24th December 2009
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I saw this yesterday and it really did make me smile biggrin

sawman

5,168 posts

260 months

Thursday 24th December 2009
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Read that yesterday too.

Just got back from the severn valley railway, having taken the kids on a steam santa express. they had a great time, my daughter was impressed how quiet the loco was when pulling out of the station, compared to the diesel/electric we went on in the summer.

my wife asked why they stopped using steamies, anyone know, apart from the fact that in the 50's the future was seen as electric?

Dunk76

4,350 posts

244 months

Thursday 24th December 2009
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sawman said:
my wife asked why they stopped using steamies, anyone know, apart from the fact that in the 50's the future was seen as electric?
The manpower upkeep on Steam locomotives is quite astonishing, even just to get the thing going in the morning is a major operation.

The quantities of coal they consume is quite surprising too - a run from London-Edinburgh in the later efficient classes like this would require two coal tenders (from memory) and at least one stop for water.

Compared with Diesel-Electric, where you more or less press and go.

RedYellowGreen

470 posts

260 months

Thursday 24th December 2009
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sawman said:
Read that yesterday too.

Just got back from the severn valley railway, having taken the kids on a steam santa express. they had a great time, my daughter was impressed how quiet the loco was when pulling out of the station, compared to the diesel/electric we went on in the summer.

my wife asked why they stopped using steamies, anyone know, apart from the fact that in the 50's the future was seen as electric?
Steam disapeared completly from British mainlines in 1969 the reason being that diesel powered trains are much more energy efficient than steam and electric better still, less manpower needed to maintain and run them too I would guess.

dilbert

7,741 posts

261 months

Thursday 24th December 2009
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Much as I like steam engines, the main killer would have been the 1950's smog events.
People were literally dying of smog.

It wasn't like a modern lead or benzine intolerance. Late in life you sue the government because you've developed some lung disease, that the government didn't prevent.

This was like people trying to walk to work, not being able to see where they were going. They'd die before they got where they were going just because they were going uphill, and had to breathe harder.

Clearly it wasn't just steam railway locomotives. It was coking plants, houses, and industry too. Everyone had a chimney.

http://history1900s.about.com/od/1950s/qt/greatsmo...

Edited by dilbert on Thursday 24th December 21:28

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

264 months

Saddle bum

4,211 posts

249 months

Thursday 24th December 2009
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Dunk76 said:
The manpower upkeep on Steam locomotives is quite astonishing, even just to get the thing going in the morning is a major operation.

The quantities of coal they consume is quite surprising too - a run from London-Edinburgh in the later efficient classes like this would require two coal tenders (from memory) and at least one stop for water.

Compared with Diesel-Electric, where you more or less press and go.
But steam trains are cool.

T89 Callan

8,422 posts

223 months

Thursday 24th December 2009
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Saddle bum said:
Dunk76 said:
The manpower upkeep on Steam locomotives is quite astonishing, even just to get the thing going in the morning is a major operation.

The quantities of coal they consume is quite surprising too - a run from London-Edinburgh in the later efficient classes like this would require two coal tenders (from memory) and at least one stop for water.

Compared with Diesel-Electric, where you more or less press and go.
But steam trains are cool.
Yes, yes they are.

FourWheelDrift

92,306 posts

314 months

Thursday 24th December 2009
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RedYellowGreen said:
less manpower needed to maintain and run them too I would guess.
I never can work out how they managed to get that past the unions. However they did they need to do it again in other areas of the public sector.

Or did they promise to relocate the workers into other areas of the business, in other words paid to do nothing. A trend that is also carried on today in other areas of the public sector.

Parrot of Doom

23,075 posts

264 months

Friday 25th December 2009
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Considering electric and diesel trains were running well before British Rail, or even the big four, were even heard of, it isn't as though the sight of trains other than steam locomotive powered was unusual.

sawman

5,168 posts

260 months

Friday 25th December 2009
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dilbert said:
Much as I like steam engines, the main killer would have been the 1950's smog events.
People were literally dying of smog.

It wasn't like a modern lead or benzine intolerance. Late in life you sue the government because you've developed some lung disease, that the government didn't prevent.

This was like people trying to walk to work, not being able to see where they were going. They'd die before they got where they were going just because they were going uphill, and had to breathe harder.

Clearly it wasn't just steam railway locomotives. It was coking plants, houses, and industry too. Everyone had a chimney.

http://history1900s.about.com/od/1950s/qt/greatsmo...

Edited by dilbert on Thursday 24th December 21:28
ah the good old days!

steam trains are cool though, right?

P5Nij

675 posts

202 months

Friday 25th December 2009
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FourWheelDrift said:
RedYellowGreen said:
less manpower needed to maintain and run them too I would guess.
I never can work out how they managed to get that past the unions. However they did they need to do it again in other areas of the public sector.

Or did they promise to relocate the workers into other areas of the business, in other words paid to do nothing. A trend that is also carried on today in other areas of the public sector.
It took BR around ten years to phase out steam traction and during that time many of those who were made redundant overnight could walk into another job outside of the railway, usually higher paid with none of the filthy conditions they were expected to endure on the footplate. In the Coventry and Birmingham area depots for instance, many of them left and walked straight into jobs at Austin, Morris, Rover, Triumph, Jaguar factories etc.

;o)

madala

5,063 posts

228 months

Friday 25th December 2009
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....steam trains rock....yes...I have a beard and drive a 993.....smile