New political food ideas

[ThunderSpook]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8440538.stm

So the Tories want to create a new ombudsman to oversee the relationship between large supermarkets and their suppliers to make sure the supplier isn't being bullied in to prices it can't maintain.

Labour's idea is "meat free Mondays".

Nuff said I think. Anyone got any more barrels for the reds? I think they're running out of them to scrape.

[Fittster]

So the tories want higher prices for the consumer, thanks Dave.

[odyssey2200]

Fittster said:

So the tories want higher prices for the consumer, thanks Dave.

OTOH

If we keep fking our farmers over, causing them to go bust, all we achieve is to increase our dependence on foreign suppliersa nd to increase the length of the dole queue.

The UK needs to be more self sufficient IMHO.

The trick will be striking the right balance between farmers and the supermarkets so as not to adversely effect the customer.

[Fittster]

odyssey2200 said:

Fittster said:

So the tories want higher prices for the consumer, thanks Dave.

OTOH

If we keep fking our farmers over, causing them to go bust, all we achieve is to increase our dependence on foreign suppliersa nd to increase the length of the dole queue.

So farming needs to be protecting from competition from efficient suppliers to the detriment of the consumer. Wish I worked in an industry where my livelihood was protected from foreign competition.

[Spiritual_Beggar]

Fittster said:

odyssey2200 said:

Fittster said:

So the tories want higher prices for the consumer, thanks Dave.

OTOH

If we keep fking our farmers over, causing them to go bust, all we achieve is to increase our dependence on foreign suppliersa nd to increase the length of the dole queue.

So farming needs to be protecting from competition from efficient suppliers to the detriment of the consumer. Wish I worked in an industry where my livelihood was protected from foreign competition.

We're talking about a couple on pence on the price of most products, in order o maintain that our farming uindustry survives!

Makes sense to me. Personally, i don't go around looking to save each and every penny. As the saying goes; "penny wise, pound foolish"

Farming has been in a decline over the years, mainly thanks to cheaper products available ABROAD!.


Britain NEEDS to become more self sufficient, given our current financial situation.


As Odyssey says though, it's all about striking the right balance. I'm not entirely sure our bunch are clever enough to get it right though.

Edited by Spiritual_Beggar on Tuesday 5th January 08:27

[odyssey2200]

Fittster said:

odyssey2200 said:

Fittster said:

So the tories want higher prices for the consumer, thanks Dave.

OTOH

If we keep fking our farmers over, causing them to go bust, all we achieve is to increase our dependence on foreign suppliersa nd to increase the length of the dole queue.

So farming needs to be protecting from competition from efficient suppliers to the detriment of the consumer. Wish I worked in an industry where my livelihood was protected from foreign competition.

Did I say that?




I have no problem with farmers getting a size 10 up the arse if they can't run an efficient business but squeezing them so tight that they pop serves no one in the long run.

If you were a farmer and found a way of increasing your efficiency by 10% but you knew that as soon as the buyer from your supermarket found out he would cut your payments accordingly, why would you bother?

By all means make british farming as efficient as possible but it also need to be profitable (within reason)

[ThunderSpook]

Food is far too cheap a great deal of the time these days. I hate to refer to it as holding any fact but if you watched things like Hugh Fearnley-Weirdo's chicken programme he did showing that entire chickens are sold to supermarkets for mere pence. Everything suffers from it.

[Swilly]

Fittster said:

odyssey2200 said:

Fittster said:

So the tories want higher prices for the consumer, thanks Dave.

OTOH

If we keep fking our farmers over, causing them to go bust, all we achieve is to increase our dependence on foreign suppliersa nd to increase the length of the dole queue.

So farming needs to be protecting from competition from efficient suppliers to the detriment of the consumer. Wish I worked in an industry where my livelihood was protected from foreign competition.

Efficient suppliers ?!... or maybe lower quality, increasingly more mass produced etc

Give me a pricier free-to-forage-and-peck chicken anyday over a flavourless, bland factory-bred chicken.

[Fittster]

Swilly said:

Fittster said:

odyssey2200 said:

Fittster said:

So the tories want higher prices for the consumer, thanks Dave.

OTOH

If we keep fking our farmers over, causing them to go bust, all we achieve is to increase our dependence on foreign suppliersa nd to increase the length of the dole queue.

So farming needs to be protecting from competition from efficient suppliers to the detriment of the consumer. Wish I worked in an industry where my livelihood was protected from foreign competition.

Efficient suppliers ?!... or maybe lower quality, increasingly more mass produced etc

Give me a pricier free-to-forage-and-peck chicken anyday over a flavourless, bland factory-bred chicken.

Well feel free to buy from an organic, local supplier at high cost if you wish, by the same token the low cost option should remain.

Farming is already hugely supported by the state via the Common agricultural policy and now Dave is giving the industry even more protection. Who would have guessed that Dave married into a family of land owners.

[hornetrider]

Fittster said:

Swilly said:

Fittster said:

odyssey2200 said:

Fittster said:

So the tories want higher prices for the consumer, thanks Dave.

OTOH

If we keep fking our farmers over, causing them to go bust, all we achieve is to increase our dependence on foreign suppliersa nd to increase the length of the dole queue.

So farming needs to be protecting from competition from efficient suppliers to the detriment of the consumer. Wish I worked in an industry where my livelihood was protected from foreign competition.

Efficient suppliers ?!... or maybe lower quality, increasingly more mass produced etc

Give me a pricier free-to-forage-and-peck chicken anyday over a flavourless, bland factory-bred chicken.

Well feel free to buy from an organic, local supplier at high cost if you wish, by the same token the low cost option should remain.

Farming is already hugely supported by the state via the Common agricultural policy and now Dave is giving the industry even more protection. Who would have guessed that Dave married into a family of land owners.

I think you'll find dairy farmers barely cover their costs when they supply to the supermarkets, who then mark up the produce to extortionate levels.

[herewego]

ThunderSpook said:

Food is far too cheap a great deal of the time these days. I hate to refer to it as holding any fact but if you watched things like Hugh Fearnley-Weirdo's chicken programme he did showing that entire chickens are sold to supermarkets for mere pence. Everything suffers from it.

This should be dealt with by husbandry regulations which should also apply to imported animals, e.g. mandatory free range and max stocking density with importers providing evidence of compliance.

[Swilly]

Fittster said:

Swilly said:

Fittster said:

odyssey2200 said:

Fittster said:

So the tories want higher prices for the consumer, thanks Dave.

OTOH

If we keep fking our farmers over, causing them to go bust, all we achieve is to increase our dependence on foreign suppliersa nd to increase the length of the dole queue.

So farming needs to be protecting from competition from efficient suppliers to the detriment of the consumer. Wish I worked in an industry where my livelihood was protected from foreign competition.

Efficient suppliers ?!... or maybe lower quality, increasingly more mass produced etc

Give me a pricier free-to-forage-and-peck chicken anyday over a flavourless, bland factory-bred chicken.

Well feel free to buy from an organic, local supplier at high cost if you wish, by the same token the low cost option should remain.

Farming is already hugely supported by the state via the Common agricultural policy and now Dave is giving the industry even more protection. Who would have guessed that Dave married into a family of land owners.

You talk of high cost and the low cost option. I think this distorts peoples view of what they are paying for and getting.

The organic free-range chicken from a local supplier should not be presented as a premium product. It should be the bog-standard.

Anything less is low quality i.e. the low-cost option factory-bred bland supermarket variety. This is not and should not be presented as the bog-standard option. It is the low quality option.

Once upon a time your bog standard chicken was what we now call organic free-reange premium luxury etc etc bkss.

I would reword it to say standard cost for a standard quality chicken and low cost for a low quality chicken.

[ThunderSpook]

I would just like to add that the point of this thread I started has been missed completely.



Meat free Monday.

[Zod]

Guess who's idea this is - Hilary Benn's (he's a vegetarian).

[herewego]

ThunderSpook said:

I would just like to add that the point of this thread I started has been missed completely.



Meat free Monday.

It's Mondays not just Monday. What's wrong with that?

[Fittster]

Swilly said:

Fittster said:

Swilly said:

Fittster said:

odyssey2200 said:

Fittster said:

So the tories want higher prices for the consumer, thanks Dave.

OTOH

If we keep fking our farmers over, causing them to go bust, all we achieve is to increase our dependence on foreign suppliersa nd to increase the length of the dole queue.

So farming needs to be protecting from competition from efficient suppliers to the detriment of the consumer. Wish I worked in an industry where my livelihood was protected from foreign competition.

Efficient suppliers ?!... or maybe lower quality, increasingly more mass produced etc

Give me a pricier free-to-forage-and-peck chicken anyday over a flavourless, bland factory-bred chicken.

Well feel free to buy from an organic, local supplier at high cost if you wish, by the same token the low cost option should remain.

Farming is already hugely supported by the state via the Common agricultural policy and now Dave is giving the industry even more protection. Who would have guessed that Dave married into a family of land owners.

You talk of high cost and the low cost option. I think this distorts peoples view of what they are paying for and getting.

The organic free-range chicken from a local supplier should not be presented as a premium product. It should be the bog-standard.

Anything less is low quality i.e. the low-cost option factory-bred bland supermarket variety. This is not and should not be presented as the bog-standard option. It is the low quality option.

Once upon a time your bog standard chicken was what we now call organic free-reange premium luxury etc etc bkss.

I would reword it to say standard cost for a standard quality chicken and low cost for a low quality chicken.

Once a upon a time cars were handmade and only available to a privilleged few, then mass production opened up the industry so everyone could travel by car.

Do you want Ford put out of business so Bristol can continue to sell cars?

[chris watton]

Soya Sunday! mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Trommel]

Zod said:

Guess who's idea this is - Hilary Benn's (he's a vegetarian).

From his first speech as Secretary of State for DEFRA:

"Even though I am a vegetarian of 35 years [on "moral" grounds] my family always tell me of the tasty food I am missing out on".

Not forgetting:

"it is an outrage that David Cameron feels able to say that he would overturn the ban on hunting", and "[the Hunting Act] sends an important signal about the standards we expect in society more broadly: about justice, respect for rights and decency".

He and Fitzpatrick were clearly the perfect choices for DEFRA.

I cannot imagine Labour have a single rural supporter.

[Pesty]

ThunderSpook said:

I would just like to add that the point of this thread I started has been missed completely.



Meat free Monday.

This morning they said that was to reduce CO2. they never stated any other reason for it.

Twats

[fido]

Pesty said:

This morning they said that was to reduce CO2. they never stated any other reason for it.

Twats

Twat-free Tuesday?