Norman Tebbit's new blog on Telegraph website
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For those who haven't yet seen it, Norman Tebbit has started a new blog on the Telegraph website. Such common sense and so refreshingly different from many of today's MPs.
Link: http://tinyurl.com/ylplqcs
Link: http://tinyurl.com/ylplqcs
John Redwood's blog has been going for ages, but is also a very good read:
http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/
http://www.johnredwoodsdiary.com/
Dunk76 said:
It's people like Norman Tebbit who made me a Tory.
It's people like Cameron who have turned me to Neo Feudalism.
It's depressing how heavyweight the elder statesmen are when compared to the current bunch of careerist idiots.
Me too. I remember very fondly a Question Time dating from I guess the late 80s when Norman Tebbit was being heckled by a leftie in the audience. He stopped what he was saying, addressed the chap in the audience along the lines of "listen sonny" and then took apart his argument. The chap had no come back - it was magic. It's people like Cameron who have turned me to Neo Feudalism.
It's depressing how heavyweight the elder statesmen are when compared to the current bunch of careerist idiots.
EdJ said:
Dunk76 said:
It's people like Norman Tebbit who made me a Tory.
It's people like Cameron who have turned me to Neo Feudalism.
It's depressing how heavyweight the elder statesmen are when compared to the current bunch of careerist idiots.
Me too. I remember very fondly a Question Time dating from I guess the late 80s when Norman Tebbit was being heckled by a leftie in the audience. He stopped what he was saying, addressed the chap in the audience along the lines of "listen sonny" and then took apart his argument. The chap had no come back - it was magic. It's people like Cameron who have turned me to Neo Feudalism.
It's depressing how heavyweight the elder statesmen are when compared to the current bunch of careerist idiots.
ts that appear on QT now. The best ones are when there are fringe party guests and people from other fields who aren't soiling themselves over the prospect of one lost vote.Thanks added it to my favourites. Interesting critique on the BNP absolutely on the mark, it is actually a far left party.
Weirdly I enjoy tony benns diaries, and NT have alot more in common and similar views, given their backgrounds the opposite ends of the social spectrum, and opposite to what their party allegiance would suggest.
Agreed, these grandees have far more substance to them than current politicians, IMO the media and by extension we (the public) are to blame. In so much as disagreement between people of the same party is portrayed negatively in the media and we don't vote for parties with splits in them, consequently news management, whipping and staying on message is more paramount than grown up debate and argument is the order of the day, as getting and staying elected is more important than doing the right thing. Consequently we have more yes men & intellectual lightweights...
I used to hate tebbitt as a kid, I can't remember why, he now comes over with the views of my father and concur with quite a few of my own!
Weirdly I enjoy tony benns diaries, and NT have alot more in common and similar views, given their backgrounds the opposite ends of the social spectrum, and opposite to what their party allegiance would suggest.
Agreed, these grandees have far more substance to them than current politicians, IMO the media and by extension we (the public) are to blame. In so much as disagreement between people of the same party is portrayed negatively in the media and we don't vote for parties with splits in them, consequently news management, whipping and staying on message is more paramount than grown up debate and argument is the order of the day, as getting and staying elected is more important than doing the right thing. Consequently we have more yes men & intellectual lightweights...
I used to hate tebbitt as a kid, I can't remember why, he now comes over with the views of my father and concur with quite a few of my own!
Northern Munkee said:
Thanks added it to my favourites. Interesting critique on the BNP absolutely on the mark, it is actually a far left party.
It's a combo, left and right aren't so exclusive!;)[i] Q: Is the BNP a far-right party? Is the BNP a fascist party?A: In almost all academic literature, including that leading up to the present day, the BNP's policies are classified as far-right, and its ideologies as fascist or neo-fascist. The BNP do deny aspects of both of these labels – citing in particular a left-wing or socialist approach to certain aspects of social policy, and rejection of certain tenets of fascism such as the single-party state. These caveats to such labels must be acknowledged in the article, but appropriate weight should be assigned to the fact that many academics find these to be the most suitable labels to use even when taking the BNP's response to them into account. [/i]
NM said:
I used to hate tebbitt as a kid, I can't remember why, he now comes over with the views of my father and concur with quite a few of my own!
Spiting Image? I loved the bd Bear skit
Interesting post by Tebbit. He's not too pleased:
Lord Tebbit said:
What a mess! What an unholy mess! The unloseable election against the worst government in British history finishes in talks to establish the terms on which the losers’ party with only 23 per cent of the votes and only 57 seats might graciously allow the party with 36 per cent of the votes and 307 seats to form a government.
This was the election in which the poisonous legacy of Blair’s NuLab plan for the irreversible change of Britain claimed another victim.
This kingdom, the mother country of modern democracy, is now shown up as incompetent even in managing an election. Not since the Reform Acts of the 19th century have we turned away electors by the hundred from the polls nor been faced with widespread allegations of ballot rigging even in our capital city.
As I say, what an unholy, unmitigated mess. And to cap it all, the leader of the party which should have walked away with a massive majority over a government whose reckless spending has landed us with Greek-style debts is engaged in talks with the losing third party over the terms on which he might be allowed to form a government.
In my view Mr Cameron should make it plain that while he would be willing to form a government and would welcome support from any party, he would offer no hostages, nor concessions as a condition of office.
If that sent off Mr Clegg to do a deal with his soulmates in a Lib Dem-NuLab arrangement or coalition, so be it. It could not last long, for at the most it would only delay NuLab a trifle on the path to economic disaster which it has pursued these last 13 years.
This Parliament will not last its potential five-year span. This election did not complete the purge of the sickness of New Labour. It is the next election which will decide the fate of the country – and the Conservative Party will not win that election if it is tainted with the contamination of coalition with a party which puts the interests of Our Masters in Brussels ahead of the interests of the British people.
Mr. Cameron’s priority may be to get into No 10. What matters to the rest of us is what he would do when he got there.
I am sorry that in the midst of this fast-moving political soap opera I have not been able to take up the many comments posted here. None the less, they have made interesting reading. In particular I should thank the very many of you who owned up to taking my advice to vote Conservative to rid us of NuLab, particularly those like ‘Robert Eve’ whose heart said vote UKIP but head said vote Tory. And poor ‘bionic raspberry’! What a dilemma in a Plaid Cymru seat. Who would not vote UKIP as a gesture of defiance?
I am still left puzzled by those who keep on about how dreadful the Thatcher years were, without being able to explain why she kept polling more votes than Blair ever did, or Brown, or Clegg, or even, bless me, Mr Cameron has.
‘Robinson’ tried to explain to me something that he thought I might have missed despite being a Trade Minister for three years. Yes, I did know that some aid is tied to the purchase of British goods and services. But I wonder if he has ever thought that when times are hard that money might be better spent buying goods and services to be used here rather than in China.
Finally, might I say to some of you that a good argument is seldom enhanced by puerile or vulgar abuse and a bad one is made even worse.
In what interesting times we live, I am sorry to say.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/normantebbit/100038710/the-tories-will-lose-the-next-election-if-they-enter-into-a-coalition-with-the-tainted-lib-dems/This was the election in which the poisonous legacy of Blair’s NuLab plan for the irreversible change of Britain claimed another victim.
This kingdom, the mother country of modern democracy, is now shown up as incompetent even in managing an election. Not since the Reform Acts of the 19th century have we turned away electors by the hundred from the polls nor been faced with widespread allegations of ballot rigging even in our capital city.
As I say, what an unholy, unmitigated mess. And to cap it all, the leader of the party which should have walked away with a massive majority over a government whose reckless spending has landed us with Greek-style debts is engaged in talks with the losing third party over the terms on which he might be allowed to form a government.
In my view Mr Cameron should make it plain that while he would be willing to form a government and would welcome support from any party, he would offer no hostages, nor concessions as a condition of office.
If that sent off Mr Clegg to do a deal with his soulmates in a Lib Dem-NuLab arrangement or coalition, so be it. It could not last long, for at the most it would only delay NuLab a trifle on the path to economic disaster which it has pursued these last 13 years.
This Parliament will not last its potential five-year span. This election did not complete the purge of the sickness of New Labour. It is the next election which will decide the fate of the country – and the Conservative Party will not win that election if it is tainted with the contamination of coalition with a party which puts the interests of Our Masters in Brussels ahead of the interests of the British people.
Mr. Cameron’s priority may be to get into No 10. What matters to the rest of us is what he would do when he got there.
I am sorry that in the midst of this fast-moving political soap opera I have not been able to take up the many comments posted here. None the less, they have made interesting reading. In particular I should thank the very many of you who owned up to taking my advice to vote Conservative to rid us of NuLab, particularly those like ‘Robert Eve’ whose heart said vote UKIP but head said vote Tory. And poor ‘bionic raspberry’! What a dilemma in a Plaid Cymru seat. Who would not vote UKIP as a gesture of defiance?
I am still left puzzled by those who keep on about how dreadful the Thatcher years were, without being able to explain why she kept polling more votes than Blair ever did, or Brown, or Clegg, or even, bless me, Mr Cameron has.
‘Robinson’ tried to explain to me something that he thought I might have missed despite being a Trade Minister for three years. Yes, I did know that some aid is tied to the purchase of British goods and services. But I wonder if he has ever thought that when times are hard that money might be better spent buying goods and services to be used here rather than in China.
Finally, might I say to some of you that a good argument is seldom enhanced by puerile or vulgar abuse and a bad one is made even worse.
In what interesting times we live, I am sorry to say.
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