Theft of DVLA log books fuels cars scam

[Police State]

I don't know if this has already been posted; but if you're thinking of buying a 2nd hand car, be very careful...

Theft of DVLA log books fuels cars scam

"We're recovering about ten a week and we think there's easily over 120 to 130,000 stolen blank documents out there still," DCI Mark Hooper from the Association of Chief Police Officers' (Acpo) vehicle crime intelligence service, told BBC 5 live's Donal MacIntyre programme.

"It will keep me very busy, and my team very busy, for the next hundred or so years, I suspect."

These documents went missing in 2006, and they have only now decided to tell us...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8487381.stm

[Pesty]

When the police come and take your car away can we sue the DVLA for the loss?

[DSM2]

The boss of the DVLA says they can't be held responsible for the loss of the documents.

Who's fault is it then?

[jamoor]

Never understood why they don't revise the current logbook and make sellers of cars apply for a new one.

[simba1]

Pesty said:

When the police come and take your car away can we sue the DVLA for the loss?

So, supposing someone broke into your home and then stole your car, which he then used in a bank robbery, can the bank sue you for the loss?

[Deva Link]

There was a case on the HonestJohn forum a few months ago where a guy bought a cloned Discovery - checking the V5C with a Police station and the DVLA who both said it was OK, only to discover (no pun intended!) that the V5C was from the stolen batch.

OK, the Police only checked visually but he'd given enough detail to the DVLA that they should have realised, but they didn't.

[Police State]

simba1 said:

Pesty said:

When the police come and take your car away can we sue the DVLA for the loss?

So, supposing someone broke into your home and then stole your car, which he then used in a bank robbery, can the bank sue you for the loss?

or... let's suppose you are a UK truck driver returning from the continent with what you think is the usual load, but you get stopped at Dover, and there are some illegal immigrants hiding beneath your trailer floor. Should the government hold you personally responsible?

[mikestrat]

Surely if you do a proper data check and match the document ref (created when the v5 is issued not printed on the blank) and that matchs the VIN then you are OK. Unless the thieving scum have cloned the VIN (and possibly engine chassis nums - in which case you are f'ed ) then the data check will spot it. It it doesn't you have the insurance protection offered by the data checkers.

Correct?

[Dogwatch]

You can check the logbook number for one in the series that was stolen:

DVLA website said:

Be on the lookout for stolen registration certificates. DVLA has provided a range of serial numbers of known stolen registration certificates. If you find one that is in the range of BG8229501 to BG9999030 or BI2305501 to BI2800000 do not proceed with the sale and contact the police.

Taken from here

[Deva Link]

mikestrat said:

It it doesn't you have the insurance protection offered by the data checkers.

Yes, as long as you comply with the T's & C's for the protection which are quite detailed.

[Four Cofffee]

simba1 said:

Pesty said:

When the police come and take your car away can we sue the DVLA for the loss?

So, supposing someone broke into your home and then stole your car, which he then used in a bank robbery, can the bank sue you for the loss?

I have no duty of care as DVLA do.

[odyssey2200]

DSM2 said:

The boss of the DVLA says they can't be held responsible for the loss of the documents.

Who's fault is it then?

[nonegreen]

odyssey2200 said:

DSM2 said:

The boss of the DVLA says they can't be held responsible for the loss of the documents.

Who's fault is it then?

Pretty simple answer to this sack the dvla in its entirity, sequestrate the assets of all the ccs and make repairations. The DVLA are responsible for this and they should be made to pay. You can bet your life the " supplier" who should have disposed of the V5s is in deep pooh. I hate the civil service they always duck their responsibilities, sack the bloody lot what possible purpose do the DVLA provide?

[s3fella]

They reckon 130k of these are still "out there!".

Why have they not just redesigned the V5 a bit, new colour etc and started to send that out to customers iver the last 3 years? In about another 2, virtually all cars would have the new unstolen log book, having been updated naturally as people sell them and move house etc.

The cops reckon it will take over 100 years to find them all at the current rate!!

Madness

[jamoor]

s3fella said:

They reckon 130k of these are still "out there!".

Why have they not just redesigned the V5 a bit, new colour etc and started to send that out to customers iver the last 3 years? In about another 2, virtually all cars would have the new unstolen log book, having been updated naturally as people sell them and move house etc.

The cops reckon it will take over 100 years to find them all at the current rate!!

Madness

That will cost monies :P

[s3fella]

jamoor said:

s3fella said:

They reckon 130k of these are still "out there!".

Why have they not just redesigned the V5 a bit, new colour etc and started to send that out to customers iver the last 3 years? In about another 2, virtually all cars would have the new unstolen log book, having been updated naturally as people sell them and move house etc.

The cops reckon it will take over 100 years to find them all at the current rate!!

Madness

That will cost monies :P

Not really, just order the next batch of blank forms in a different colour. Then start swapping them over naturally.
( a bit like they did with the current forms about 8 years ago!)

[JuniorD]

I remember when we had a proper log book instead of this stty perforated piece of paper that falls apart and which I think was to conform with a European standard.