Prisoners and their TVs
Discussion
Can't believe this hasn't been posted (and await to be corrected) but WTF, we are skint, if the little lambs TVs don't work anymore - tough s
t!! We must be a laughing stock, is all I can say!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...
t!! We must be a laughing stock, is all I can say!http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politic...
torygraph said:
Maria Eagle, the Justice Minister, said HM Prison Service purchased 14,814 in-cell televisions in 2007-08 and a further 12,238 in 2008-09 - enough for almost a third of the 83,378 inmates in England and Wales.
Prisoners can rent the televisions for £1 a week as part of perks schemes, Miss Eagle said in a written Commons answer to shadow prisons minister Alan Duncan.
"In-cell televisions are purchased as replenishments for the prisoner rental scheme, as part of local incentives and privileges schemes," Miss Eagle said.
"In-cell televisions are also an earned privilege that can be lost due to poor behaviour."
Inmates are allowed in-cell televisions if they are on either the "standard" or "enhanced" level of the prison privileges system, according to a Prison Service document.
It also emerged that only 1.5% of prisoners - just 1250 inmates - are on the lower "basic" level, which means that they are denied access to televisions.
The Prison Service said 14in colour televisions with remote controls are made available to inmates, which can be withdrawn for various reasons.
Politicians and campaigners questioned the priorities of the prisons service if they were spendings hundreds of thousands of pounds on new televisions.
David Howarth, Liberal Democrat justice spokesman, said: "At a time when budget constraints are forcing the Ministry of Justice to cut frontline services, it seems unnecessarily lavish to buy every third inmate a new television.
"If we want to make prisoners productive, we need to increase the time they spend working and learning and decrease the time they spend in front of a TV."
John O'Connell, policy analyst at the Taxpayers' Alliance, added: "This is a lot of money for new TVs and the Prison Service must look for the best value for money when they purchase new equipment.
"With the public finances in such a state, many ordinary taxpayers are unable to afford new TV sets so it's not right that inmates are treated to expensive luxuries.
"It's essential that HM Prison Service takes a long, hard look at their spending and ensure that their priorities are in order."
Last year it emerged that 4,000 prisoners have satellite television in their cells.
Prisoners can rent the televisions for £1 a week as part of perks schemes, Miss Eagle said in a written Commons answer to shadow prisons minister Alan Duncan.
"In-cell televisions are purchased as replenishments for the prisoner rental scheme, as part of local incentives and privileges schemes," Miss Eagle said.
"In-cell televisions are also an earned privilege that can be lost due to poor behaviour."
Inmates are allowed in-cell televisions if they are on either the "standard" or "enhanced" level of the prison privileges system, according to a Prison Service document.
It also emerged that only 1.5% of prisoners - just 1250 inmates - are on the lower "basic" level, which means that they are denied access to televisions.
The Prison Service said 14in colour televisions with remote controls are made available to inmates, which can be withdrawn for various reasons.
Politicians and campaigners questioned the priorities of the prisons service if they were spendings hundreds of thousands of pounds on new televisions.
David Howarth, Liberal Democrat justice spokesman, said: "At a time when budget constraints are forcing the Ministry of Justice to cut frontline services, it seems unnecessarily lavish to buy every third inmate a new television.
"If we want to make prisoners productive, we need to increase the time they spend working and learning and decrease the time they spend in front of a TV."
John O'Connell, policy analyst at the Taxpayers' Alliance, added: "This is a lot of money for new TVs and the Prison Service must look for the best value for money when they purchase new equipment.
"With the public finances in such a state, many ordinary taxpayers are unable to afford new TV sets so it's not right that inmates are treated to expensive luxuries.
"It's essential that HM Prison Service takes a long, hard look at their spending and ensure that their priorities are in order."
Last year it emerged that 4,000 prisoners have satellite television in their cells.
Edited by Bing o on Wednesday 3rd February 16:08
Eric Mc said:
As long as they pay theior licences.
Mail linky says no, they don't...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-447571/Out...
Prison is a punishment, if they are allowed to live better than anyone outside prison it's wrong. They should suffer, it is the whole point of it, so that they don't ever want to return, so they don't recommit when they get out.
No TV, no toys, no games, no phones, ideally no heating.
Do-good lefties and their soft care ideas have turned prisons into a laughing stock.
No TV, no toys, no games, no phones, ideally no heating.
Do-good lefties and their soft care ideas have turned prisons into a laughing stock.
Bing o said:
Eric Mc said:
As long as they pay theior licences.
Mail linky says no, they don't...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-447571/Out...
V88Dicky said:
Bing o said:
Eric Mc said:
As long as they pay theior licences.
Mail linky says no, they don't...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-447571/Out...
What a cunch of bunts this shower are.
The prison pays the licence fees.
I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 3rd February 16:42
Eric Mc said:
The prison pays the licence fees.
I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
From 10PS's experience, it doesn't sound that bad - check out his prison diary thread.I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 3rd February 16:42
Eric Mc said:
The prison pays the licence fees.
I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
10 Pence Short did a stretch.I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 3rd February 16:42
Bing o said:
Eric Mc said:
The prison pays the licence fees.
I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
From 10PS's experience, it doesn't sound that bad - check out his prison diary thread.I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 3rd February 16:42
The problem with prison is that for decent folk it's a hell-hole where your civil liberties are removed, it's mind-crushingly boring and a total nightmare.
For mouth-breathing scum it's better than home, has a telly and a pool table and means you don't have to queue up at the job centre every week. They've cottoned on to the fact that being inside is licence not to work for a living and have become immune to the 'downsides' that we see.
It does need to be made tougher but they shouldn't be transported back to the 19th century. They should however be made to work, be disciplined and have activities such as TV and games removed....
Eric Mc said:
The prison pays the licence fees.
I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
I've known a couple of people who have done several stints of various lengths at her majesty's expense.I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 3rd February 16:42
And frankly, they've said it was a laugh.
That's not speaking for every prison, but they are definately a hell of a lot softer than they were.
The dangers and horrors associated with prisons come from the 'people' you share it with, and not the prisons and guards.
Let's just remember why these guys are in there....and then ask why the tax payer is paying for luxuries that a large proportion of the free populace do not have access to.
Internet, playstations,tv's......... how about providing these to some of the poorer members of society before rewarding the criminals.
Soovy said:
Eric Mc said:
The prison pays the licence fees.
I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
10 Pence Short did a stretch.I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 3rd February 16:42
Bing o said:
Eric Mc said:
The prison pays the licence fees.
I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
From 10PS's experience, it doesn't sound that bad - check out his prison diary thread.I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 3rd February 16:42
st_files said:
Bing o said:
Eric Mc said:
The prison pays the licence fees.
I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
From 10PS's experience, it doesn't sound that bad - check out his prison diary thread.I am sick and tired of all these threads whingeing about prisoners getting this or that.
Let's just hope to God that nobody here on PH ever falls foul of the law and ends up in chokey. You wioll then find out how much of a jolly it really is.
I wonder how many PHers have actual experience of being inside? And if they did, would they be willing to share their experiences.
Edited by Eric Mc on Wednesday 3rd February 16:42
Read and take on board. It's certainly slowed me down.
There should be two kind of prison.
The first is where you are given another chance, this is not a place for murderers and other savages, but for the rest.
It's much like college / university where you are trained for jobs and given skills that will help you once you get back outside. They should be educated, fed basic but well (diet is VERY important) and should be doing community projects in and around study (cleaning areas up etc). Included in this prison should be help to get out of the sink holes they live in that will always end them right back in jail.
This gives them a chance to turn their life around and in turn could lead to generations of decent people in the future. Because the only other option is punish them, they get out, not a chance in hell of turning their life around, boom, that's the crime cycle.
Now if you keep throwing this chance away, or you're a savage that's raped / murdered someone etc, you should be in the second kind of prison.
The second should be outsourced prisons in turkey. This is where they go if they don't take the opportunity given to them in the first kind of prison. We pay places like Turkey or Mexico to look after our animals any way they see fit.
The first is where you are given another chance, this is not a place for murderers and other savages, but for the rest.
It's much like college / university where you are trained for jobs and given skills that will help you once you get back outside. They should be educated, fed basic but well (diet is VERY important) and should be doing community projects in and around study (cleaning areas up etc). Included in this prison should be help to get out of the sink holes they live in that will always end them right back in jail.
This gives them a chance to turn their life around and in turn could lead to generations of decent people in the future. Because the only other option is punish them, they get out, not a chance in hell of turning their life around, boom, that's the crime cycle.
Now if you keep throwing this chance away, or you're a savage that's raped / murdered someone etc, you should be in the second kind of prison.
The second should be outsourced prisons in turkey. This is where they go if they don't take the opportunity given to them in the first kind of prison. We pay places like Turkey or Mexico to look after our animals any way they see fit.
Edited by Rusty Arches on Wednesday 3rd February 18:24
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