Texas plane crash - peed off with the taxman
Texas plane crash - peed off with the taxman
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CHIEF

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2,270 posts

303 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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CatherineJ

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264 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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No idea exactly how big the small plane was, but my goodness that has caused some damage

Puggit

49,400 posts

269 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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CatherineJ said:
No idea exactly how big the small plane was, but my goodness that has caused some damage
I think it proves the 9/11 terrorists over did it!

ErnestM

11,621 posts

288 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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According to witnesses, a single engine Piper Cherokee 140...


CatherineJ

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264 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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ErnestM said:
According to witnesses, a single engine Piper Cherokee 140...

Last time I saw one of those hit a building it was in Florida and it didn't start a firestorm like today.

Durruti

1,023 posts

259 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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Copy of suicide note in full here - http://www.zerohedge.com/article/austin-tx-crashed...

Rumours abound that the original host site is now shutdown and FBI are requesting that this not be replicated, however, the internets being what it is, it seems to be cropping up everywhere.

Public reaction to this will be interesting......


CatherineJ

9,586 posts

264 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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Durruti said:
Copy of suicide note in full here - http://www.zerohedge.com/article/austin-tx-crashed...

Rumours abound that the original host site is now shutdown and FBI are requesting that this not be replicated, however, the internets being what it is, it seems to be cropping up everywhere.

Public reaction to this will be interesting......
All I can say is Blimey.

Papoo

3,904 posts

219 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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In his shoes, I probably would have differed my taxes until October, then seen what happens.

ErnestM

11,621 posts

288 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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Papoo said:
In his shoes, I probably would have differed my taxes until October, then seen what happens.
...or had a nice whisky or six.

Mojocvh

16,837 posts

283 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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Awesome rant

http://www.businessinsider.com/joseph-andrew-stack...

10/10, ph'rs take note.

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

276 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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So, is he a terrorist, or a criminal?

Mojocvh

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283 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
So, is he a terrorist, or a criminal?
Well according to the dept of home land security, emm no one will really say..

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

252 months

Thursday 18th February 2010
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CatherineJ said:
ErnestM said:
According to witnesses, a single engine Piper Cherokee 140...

Last time I saw one of those hit a building it was in Florida and it didn't start a firestorm like today.
Maybe the CIA knew he was going to do it and placed demolition charges onto the building! hehe

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

252 months

Friday 19th February 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
So, is he a terrorist, or a criminal?
He attacked the IRS? Hero? biggrin

Blue Meanie

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Friday 19th February 2010
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Jimbeaux said:
Blue Meanie said:
So, is he a terrorist, or a criminal?
He attacked the IRS? Hero? biggrin
Well, that goes without saying... I'm just curious how this will play out on how they view him.

Jimbeaux

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252 months

Friday 19th February 2010
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Blue Meanie said:
Jimbeaux said:
Blue Meanie said:
So, is he a terrorist, or a criminal?
He attacked the IRS? Hero? biggrin
Well, that goes without saying... I'm just curious how this will play out on how they view him.
Seriously, aside from agreeing on the IRS, this guy was a serious nutjob. I know his type....woe is me, it's everybody else's fault, the world is against me. He finishes up with the Communist creed. If he had it so bad here, there are 100s of other countries he could have gone to in the 30 odd years of the "injustices" he claims to have suffered. This type guy would b!tch if he won the lottery and it came in 20s instead of 100s. He obviously needed mental therapy and that is genuinely sad. He will be forgotten next week IMO.

Blue Meanie

73,668 posts

276 months

Friday 19th February 2010
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Oh, I agree... I read his spiel on Live Leak, and it was almost comical.

Rusty Arches

694 posts

194 months

Friday 19th February 2010
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Hero.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

252 months

Friday 19th February 2010
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Rusty Arches said:
Hero.
Of who, the whiney communist illusionist league? The idiot was a domestic terrorist. He may well have been screwed by the IRS, I don't know. However, the people who went to work in that building today to earn money for their family and might not come home tonight certainly had nothing to do with his plight.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Friday 19th February 01:42

Pommygranite

14,445 posts

237 months

Friday 19th February 2010
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From Bloomberg:

Feb. 18 (Bloomberg) -- Joseph Stack, the software engineer police say flew a small plane into an Austin, Texas, building housing offices of the Internal Revenue Service, may have been in conflict with the U.S. agency for almost 30 years.

Authorities said a suicide note posted on a Web site and signed “Joe Stack (1956-2010)” may have been posted by the 53- year-old suspected of deliberately crashing the plane today. The crash injured at least 13 people, with one federal employee reported missing.

The writer said he lost “$40,000 and 10 years of my life” participating in what tax experts describe as an attempt to avoid taxes by claiming his home was a church. He said he later clashed with the IRS over a law targeting computer consultants suspected of abusing employment tax rules.

In the Web posting, Stack wrote of raiding retirement accounts after suffering a loss of income following a move to Texas, struggling to report “a boatload of undocumented income” earned by his wife, and trying to write-off a piano, which he called “an expensive new business asset.”

Craig Etter, a tax lawyer at Greenberg Traurig LLP in McLean, Virginia, said the employment tax issue has been controversial in the technology industry since it was enacted as a last-minute inclusion in the Tax Reform Act of 1986, the last time Congress overhauled tax laws.

“It caught everybody by surprise,” he said. “It’s not often that legislation carves out one industry to pick on. There were a lot of angry people.”

Computer Consultants

The law makes it harder for software engineers, computer consultants, and other technical services workers to act as independent contractors, rather than as employees.

While some workers prefer to be classified as employees, meaning the employer pays half of Social Security and Medicare taxes that total 7.35 percent of salary, independent contractors can shelter more money from taxes by making larger contributions to retirement accounts and by deducting business expenses. Workers in the computer-consulting industry typically want to be classified as independent contractors for that reason, Etter said.

President Barack Obama proposed a crackdown on employment tax fraud in his 2011 budget proposal with new rules to more clearly define when workers should be classified as employees or as independent contractors. In addition, the IRS this month is scheduled to begin auditing 6,000 companies to test compliance with employment tax laws. Businesses duck about $14 billion a year in taxes due to worker misclassification, the Treasury Department estimated in 2005.

Church Exemption

In his posting, Stack said his tax troubles began when he was working in Southern California in the 1980s. He describes becoming involved in an organization that sought to exploit a tax-code section that exempts churches from taxes.

“We carefully studied the law (with the help of some of the ‘best,’ high-paid experienced tax lawyers in the business) and then began to do exactly what the ‘big boys’ were doing,” Stack wrote in his note, referring to tax exemptions claimed by the Catholic Church. That “little lesson,” he wrote, cost him “$40,000 and 10 years of my life, and set my retirement plans back to 0.”

In a statement today, IRS Commissioner Doug Shulman said his department is “working with law-enforcement agencies to fully investigate the events that led up to this plane crash.”

Stack’s posting, which was taken down from his Web site at the request of authorities, specifically mentioned the IRS as a target.

“Violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer,” it said. “Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let’s try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well.”

J.J. McNabb, a Bethesda, Maryland, author working on a book about tax protesters who has testified before Congress twice on the subject, said the posting echoes the beliefs of such activists.

“He fits the mold,” she said in an interview. “Blaming the government for your failures in life is unfortunately a big factor in the tax protester movement.”