Hague accuses Labour of scorched earth policy
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8526686.stm
bbc said:
Labour borrowing 'poisoning wells' for Tories
Gordon Brown's government is driving up UK debt in order to cause difficulty for an incoming administration, the Conservatives' William Hague has said.
Labour was "like a retreating army, poisoning the wells as the other army advances", Mr Hague said.
If elected, the Tories would inherit a "chalice... as poisoned as it can get".
The government said its action had been "protecting our country". Figures show the administration had to borrow £4.3bn in January.
In what is usually a bumper time for income from tax receipts, the net borrowing was the first in that month since records began in 1993.
Mr Hague accused Gordon Brown of "chalking up as much debt as possible, making as many spending commitments as possible which he doesn't know how to finance, partly in the hope of leaving a new government with a really difficult situation".
"To say we will inherit a poisoned chalice if we win the general election is putting it mildly. It's as poisoned as it can get," the shadow foreign secretary told the News of the World.
"Gordon Brown's troops are leaving as much poison as they can. It is almost as if they have given up caring."
The UK's total borrowing for the financial year now totals more than £122bn.
But Chief Secretary to the Treasury Liam Byrne said: "Because we took the action we did, unemployment, bankruptcies and repossessions are far lower than people saw in the 90s.
"That's not poisoning a well - it's called protecting our country."
Gordon Brown's government is driving up UK debt in order to cause difficulty for an incoming administration, the Conservatives' William Hague has said.
Labour was "like a retreating army, poisoning the wells as the other army advances", Mr Hague said.
If elected, the Tories would inherit a "chalice... as poisoned as it can get".
The government said its action had been "protecting our country". Figures show the administration had to borrow £4.3bn in January.
In what is usually a bumper time for income from tax receipts, the net borrowing was the first in that month since records began in 1993.
Mr Hague accused Gordon Brown of "chalking up as much debt as possible, making as many spending commitments as possible which he doesn't know how to finance, partly in the hope of leaving a new government with a really difficult situation".
"To say we will inherit a poisoned chalice if we win the general election is putting it mildly. It's as poisoned as it can get," the shadow foreign secretary told the News of the World.
"Gordon Brown's troops are leaving as much poison as they can. It is almost as if they have given up caring."
The UK's total borrowing for the financial year now totals more than £122bn.
But Chief Secretary to the Treasury Liam Byrne said: "Because we took the action we did, unemployment, bankruptcies and repossessions are far lower than people saw in the 90s.
"That's not poisoning a well - it's called protecting our country."
surrey7er said:
If the Tories win and have to clean up the mess, the media will blame them for the mess and another generation of morons will hate the Tories forever. Best thing the Tories could do is lose...
Well, CMD certainly seems to be doing his best to do so. Perhaps this is why. BUT the key problem is that it will mean another 4 years of these scum in power and the country will be in an even worse state.....
Jasandjules said:
surrey7er said:
If the Tories win and have to clean up the mess, the media will blame them for the mess and another generation of morons will hate the Tories forever. Best thing the Tories could do is lose...
Well, CMD certainly seems to be doing his best to do so. Perhaps this is why. BUT the key problem is that it will mean another 4 years of these scum in power and the country will be in an even worse state.....
CDP said:
Jasandjules said:
surrey7er said:
If the Tories win and have to clean up the mess, the media will blame them for the mess and another generation of morons will hate the Tories forever. Best thing the Tories could do is lose...
Well, CMD certainly seems to be doing his best to do so. Perhaps this is why. BUT the key problem is that it will mean another 4 years of these scum in power and the country will be in an even worse state.....
surrey7er said:
If the Tories win and have to clean up the mess, the media will blame them for the mess and another generation of morons will hate the Tories forever. Best thing the Tories could do is lose...
If they do get in, they could do worse than hold some kind of public audit of the books and publicise the hell out of how bad things really are; who made the decisions etc and try their damnedest to show Joe Public what this incompetent bunch of Wreckers have done.Skywalker said:
surrey7er said:
If the Tories win and have to clean up the mess, the media will blame them for the mess and another generation of morons will hate the Tories forever. Best thing the Tories could do is lose...
If they do get in, they could do worse than hold some kind of public audit of the books and publicise the hell out of how bad things really are; who made the decisions etc and try their damnedest to show Joe Public what this incompetent bunch of Wreckers have done.My vote would be lose this one, let the wheels really come off, and then try to pick up the pieces when Mr & Mrs Shmucko are actually at the soup kitchen. Now where did I put my passport?
surrey7er said:
Skywalker said:
surrey7er said:
If the Tories win and have to clean up the mess, the media will blame them for the mess and another generation of morons will hate the Tories forever. Best thing the Tories could do is lose...
If they do get in, they could do worse than hold some kind of public audit of the books and publicise the hell out of how bad things really are; who made the decisions etc and try their damnedest to show Joe Public what this incompetent bunch of Wreckers have done.My vote would be lose this one, let the wheels really come off, and then try to pick up the pieces when Mr & Mrs Shmucko are actually at the soup kitchen. Now where did I put my passport?
Wreck the country and start again instead of patching up a completely f
ked systemThe tories don't have the guts to make any hard decisions
CDP said:
Jasandjules said:
surrey7er said:
If the Tories win and have to clean up the mess, the media will blame them for the mess and another generation of morons will hate the Tories forever. Best thing the Tories could do is lose...
Well, CMD certainly seems to be doing his best to do so. Perhaps this is why. BUT the key problem is that it will mean another 4 years of these scum in power and the country will be in an even worse state.....
But people seem to be forgetting that this f***it Govt has given us Long Term debts (10-15 years plus) sooo even in 5 years, there isn't going to be any way to recover fully in the way that the Tories were able to do before.
Mr Brown has destroyed this country for an entire generation. I think we should hang him for Treason.
Mr Brown has destroyed this country for an entire generation. I think we should hang him for Treason.
Skywalker said:
That's a good article by Major, though i can't help thinking that some of the rot started during his premiership - still it's no way comparable to Brown's mishaps.Edited by fido on Sunday 21st February 10:57
Fittster said:
CDP said:
Another five years would be unthinkable; it could even spell the end of the United Kingdom.
There are people in favour of the Union? selling out your own country, what could be more scorched earth policy than that...
http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/clima...
On Thursday Aardvark blogged about the EU wide Carbon Trading scam, an industry that will grow ever bigger and more powerful if an agreement is reached at COP15.
Carbon Trading is just another scam, but like all scams it claims casualties in this case, British Jobs.
A far cry from Gordon Brown’s British Jobs for British Workers, the slogan should be Carbon Trading for British Jobs.
What is the connection between Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the Indian railway engineer who has been much in evidence at the Copenhagen climate conference, as chairman of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and an Indian-owned steel company’s decision to mothball its giant Teesside steel works next month, ripping the heart out of the town of Redcar by putting 1,700 people out of work?
The real gain to Corus from stopping production at Redcar, however, is the saving it will make on its carbon allowances, allocated by the EU under its Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS). By ceasing to emit a potential six million tonnes of CO2 a year, Corus will benefit from carbon allowances which could soon, according to European Commission projections, be worth up to £600 million over the three years before current allocations expire.
But this is only half the story. In India, Corus’s owner, Tata, plans to increase steel production from 53 million tonnes to 124 million over the same period. By replacing inefficient old plants with new ones which emit only “European levels” of CO2, Tata could claim a further £600 million under the UN’s Clean Development Mechanism, which is operated by the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change – the organisers of the Copenhagen conference. Under this scheme, organisations in developed countries such as Britain – ranging from electricity supply companies to the NHS – can buy the right to exceed their CO2 allocations from those in developing countries, such as India. The huge but hidden cost of these “carbon permits” will be passed on to all of us, notably through our electricity bills.
A foretaste of what we can expect if the Copenhagen farce agrees anything, a global economy with multi-national’s trading carbon credits for jobs.
Tata/Corus can potentially receive £1.2 billion as a reward for Britain losing 1700 jobs, the pill made all the sweeter by Gordon Brown contributing £1.5 billion we dont have to the fund.
British taxes paying to kill British jobs, all so Brown can save the world from a non existent threat.
http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/clima...
On Thursday Aardvark blogged about the EU wide Carbon Trading scam, an industry that will grow ever bigger and more powerful if an agreement is reached at COP15.
Carbon Trading is just another scam, but like all scams it claims casualties in this case, British Jobs.
A far cry from Gordon Brown’s British Jobs for British Workers, the slogan should be Carbon Trading for British Jobs.
What is the connection between Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the Indian railway engineer who has been much in evidence at the Copenhagen climate conference, as chairman of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and an Indian-owned steel company’s decision to mothball its giant Teesside steel works next month, ripping the heart out of the town of Redcar by putting 1,700 people out of work?
The real gain to Corus from stopping production at Redcar, however, is the saving it will make on its carbon allowances, allocated by the EU under its Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS). By ceasing to emit a potential six million tonnes of CO2 a year, Corus will benefit from carbon allowances which could soon, according to European Commission projections, be worth up to £600 million over the three years before current allocations expire.
But this is only half the story. In India, Corus’s owner, Tata, plans to increase steel production from 53 million tonnes to 124 million over the same period. By replacing inefficient old plants with new ones which emit only “European levels” of CO2, Tata could claim a further £600 million under the UN’s Clean Development Mechanism, which is operated by the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change – the organisers of the Copenhagen conference. Under this scheme, organisations in developed countries such as Britain – ranging from electricity supply companies to the NHS – can buy the right to exceed their CO2 allocations from those in developing countries, such as India. The huge but hidden cost of these “carbon permits” will be passed on to all of us, notably through our electricity bills.
A foretaste of what we can expect if the Copenhagen farce agrees anything, a global economy with multi-national’s trading carbon credits for jobs.
Tata/Corus can potentially receive £1.2 billion as a reward for Britain losing 1700 jobs, the pill made all the sweeter by Gordon Brown contributing £1.5 billion we dont have to the fund.
British taxes paying to kill British jobs, all so Brown can save the world from a non existent threat.
CDP said:
What's wrong with being in the same country as the Scots, Irish and Welsh? There are problems but it's a whole lot better than being provinces in the Peoples' Republic of Europe.
I believe that the correct terms is Regions.Therefore, Wales, Scotland & Northern Ireland are not countries, but each is a 'Region' and then England is dismembered into the Regions such the East Midlands, West Midlands, Yorkshire & the Humber et cetera.
There was a reason for there being an EU Council of the Regions being set up. I think that it was to pave the way for removing national seats of government.
EULink
Mclovin said:
selling out your own country, what could be more scorched earth policy than that...
http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/clima...
On Thursday Aardvark blogged about the EU wide Carbon Trading scam, an industry that will grow ever bigger and more powerful if an agreement is reached at COP15.
Carbon Trading is just another scam, but like all scams it claims casualties in this case, British Jobs.
A far cry from Gordon Brown’s British Jobs for British Workers, the slogan should be Carbon Trading for British Jobs.
What is the connection between Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the Indian railway engineer who has been much in evidence at the Copenhagen climate conference, as chairman of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and an Indian-owned steel company’s decision to mothball its giant Teesside steel works next month, ripping the heart out of the town of Redcar by putting 1,700 people out of work?
The real gain to Corus from stopping production at Redcar, however, is the saving it will make on its carbon allowances, allocated by the EU under its Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS). By ceasing to emit a potential six million tonnes of CO2 a year, Corus will benefit from carbon allowances which could soon, according to European Commission projections, be worth up to £600 million over the three years before current allocations expire.
But this is only half the story. In India, Corus’s owner, Tata, plans to increase steel production from 53 million tonnes to 124 million over the same period. By replacing inefficient old plants with new ones which emit only “European levels” of CO2, Tata could claim a further £600 million under the UN’s Clean Development Mechanism, which is operated by the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change – the organisers of the Copenhagen conference. Under this scheme, organisations in developed countries such as Britain – ranging from electricity supply companies to the NHS – can buy the right to exceed their CO2 allocations from those in developing countries, such as India. The huge but hidden cost of these “carbon permits” will be passed on to all of us, notably through our electricity bills.
A foretaste of what we can expect if the Copenhagen farce agrees anything, a global economy with multi-national’s trading carbon credits for jobs.
Tata/Corus can potentially receive £1.2 billion as a reward for Britain losing 1700 jobs, the pill made all the sweeter by Gordon Brown contributing £1.5 billion we dont have to the fund.
British taxes paying to kill British jobs, all so Brown can save the world from a non existent threat.
So that's what Peter Mandelson meant about not returning to "smoke stack industries". http://toryardvaark.wordpress.com/2009/12/14/clima...
On Thursday Aardvark blogged about the EU wide Carbon Trading scam, an industry that will grow ever bigger and more powerful if an agreement is reached at COP15.
Carbon Trading is just another scam, but like all scams it claims casualties in this case, British Jobs.
A far cry from Gordon Brown’s British Jobs for British Workers, the slogan should be Carbon Trading for British Jobs.
What is the connection between Dr Rajendra Pachauri, the Indian railway engineer who has been much in evidence at the Copenhagen climate conference, as chairman of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, and an Indian-owned steel company’s decision to mothball its giant Teesside steel works next month, ripping the heart out of the town of Redcar by putting 1,700 people out of work?
The real gain to Corus from stopping production at Redcar, however, is the saving it will make on its carbon allowances, allocated by the EU under its Emissions Trading Scheme (ETS). By ceasing to emit a potential six million tonnes of CO2 a year, Corus will benefit from carbon allowances which could soon, according to European Commission projections, be worth up to £600 million over the three years before current allocations expire.
But this is only half the story. In India, Corus’s owner, Tata, plans to increase steel production from 53 million tonnes to 124 million over the same period. By replacing inefficient old plants with new ones which emit only “European levels” of CO2, Tata could claim a further £600 million under the UN’s Clean Development Mechanism, which is operated by the UN Framework Convention on Climate Change – the organisers of the Copenhagen conference. Under this scheme, organisations in developed countries such as Britain – ranging from electricity supply companies to the NHS – can buy the right to exceed their CO2 allocations from those in developing countries, such as India. The huge but hidden cost of these “carbon permits” will be passed on to all of us, notably through our electricity bills.
A foretaste of what we can expect if the Copenhagen farce agrees anything, a global economy with multi-national’s trading carbon credits for jobs.
Tata/Corus can potentially receive £1.2 billion as a reward for Britain losing 1700 jobs, the pill made all the sweeter by Gordon Brown contributing £1.5 billion we dont have to the fund.
British taxes paying to kill British jobs, all so Brown can save the world from a non existent threat.
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