Well even the chancellor has now turned on the PM

[srebbe64]

...Reckon he wants to be leader of the opposition after the election!

[elster]

Good good, as long as Labour destroy themselves it is all good.

[Northern Munkee]

Linky? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/mobile/uk_politics/8533168...

I suppose he must have threatened a back me, or sack me, and sack me I'll plunge the dagger Howe style, blame it all on you GB, if you do sack me for Balls and the markets will bring down gbberment if the media had not. Shame is GB blinked and were left waiting, fk can we please have election sooner rather than later. The whole country is in limbo, waiting and waiting...

[mybrainhurts]

srebbe64 said:

the chancellor has now turned on the PM

...You really turn me on, Darling

[Guybrush]

The part is certainly fractured with much internal wrangling and back-stabbing. Who'd want such a rabble running the country?

[Jasandjules]

elster said:

Good good, as long as Labour destroy themselves it is all good.

Yep.

But the problem is the Tories are busy making themselves unelectable as well....

[elster]

Jasandjules said:

elster said:

Good good, as long as Labour destroy themselves it is all good.

Yep.

But the problem is the Tories are busy making themselves unelectable as well....

I must have missed that?!!

The tories are doing something?!!

I don't believe you.

[Mclovin]

i dont see how the tories are making themselves unelectable when we have the worst government in the history of this country running things, there is nothing a party could do to make themselves unelectable against labour...

[don4l]

Mclovin said:

i dont see how the tories are making themselves unelectable when we have the worst government in the history of this country running things, there is nothing a party could do to make themselves unelectable against labour...

For more than 30 years, I have only voted Conservative.
This time I will vote UKIP. This is a remarkable achievement on the part of Dave Cameron.

I would say that the current Tory leadership have made themselves unelectable.

Don
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[chris_w]

don4l said:

Mclovin said:

i dont see how the tories are making themselves unelectable when we have the worst government in the history of this country running things, there is nothing a party could do to make themselves unelectable against labour...

For more than 30 years, I have only voted Conservative.
This time I will vote UKIP. This is a remarkable achievement on the part of Dave Cameron.

I would say that the current Tory leadership have made themselves unelectable.

Don
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I completely understand your reservations about CMD but your response will only make a hung parliament more likely which would be far, far worse than a limp Tory government.

[Greenie]

don4l said:

Mclovin said:

i dont see how the tories are making themselves unelectable when we have the worst government in the history of this country running things, there is nothing a party could do to make themselves unelectable against labour...

For more than 30 years, I have only voted Conservative.
This time I will vote UKIP. This is a remarkable achievement on the part of Dave Cameron.

I would say that the current Tory leadership have made themselves unelectable.

Don
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They have been destroyed in the last 3 elections with your vote. Camerson has been right to bring them into the centre ground as it is the only way to win an election. If hard core voters like you choose to waste your vote in UKIP then you will have no right to complain when the next Government is formed with a Lib/lab pact.

[Jasandjules]

Mclovin said:

i dont see how the tories are making themselves unelectable when we have the worst government in the history of this country running things, there is nothing a party could do to make themselves unelectable against labour...

By continuing to explain why CO2 is killing the world when we know it's a load of s***e.

Elster, we have the continued aid to other countries and green policies. And a few other matters which are more middle ground than Tory.... I suppose that if the Labour supporters vote Tory then they can still win, but I do think that many Tory voters will perhaps put the X in the box next to UKIP or even BNP, in the same way that some Labour voters will instead vote Lib Dem. i.e the lessor of two evils approach.

[elster]

Jasandjules said:

Elster, we have the continued aid to other countries and green policies. And a few other matters which are more middle ground than Tory.... I suppose that if the Labour supporters vote Tory then they can still win, but I do think that many Tory voters will perhaps put the X in the box next to UKIP or even BNP, in the same way that some Labour voters will instead vote Lib Dem. i.e the lessor of two evils approach.

I am hoping for a destruction of party politics.

Hopefully someday in my lifetime.

[oyster]

don4l said:

Mclovin said:

i dont see how the tories are making themselves unelectable when we have the worst government in the history of this country running things, there is nothing a party could do to make themselves unelectable against labour...

For more than 30 years, I have only voted Conservative.
This time I will vote UKIP. This is a remarkable achievement on the part of Dave Cameron.

I would say that the current Tory leadership have made themselves unelectable.

Don
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So if we end up with another Labour govt, you'll be ok with that just because it keeps CMD out of Number 10?

[chris watton]

oyster said:

don4l said:

Mclovin said:

i dont see how the tories are making themselves unelectable when we have the worst government in the history of this country running things, there is nothing a party could do to make themselves unelectable against labour...

For more than 30 years, I have only voted Conservative.
This time I will vote UKIP. This is a remarkable achievement on the part of Dave Cameron.

I would say that the current Tory leadership have made themselves unelectable.

Don
--

So if we end up with another Labour govt, you'll be ok with that just because it keeps CMD out of Number 10?

I have to be honest and agree with don. I don't think, based on what I have seen/heard/read, that there is any difference whatsoever with the CMD Tories and Brown's Labour - do I want to be boiled or fried?

I cannot vote with any conscience for a party that reacts only to headlines and spin doctors, and if that allows Labour back in, so be it – and it is Cameron’s fault – he’s just a PR man with little to no vision other what his spin doctors tell him. Just like Brown, he tells us only what he thinks we want to hear. I want no more of that, thank you. IMOHO.

[YAD061]

chris watton said:

oyster said:

don4l said:

Mclovin said:

i dont see how the tories are making themselves unelectable when we have the worst government in the history of this country running things, there is nothing a party could do to make themselves unelectable against labour...

For more than 30 years, I have only voted Conservative.
This time I will vote UKIP. This is a remarkable achievement on the part of Dave Cameron.

I would say that the current Tory leadership have made themselves unelectable.

Don
--

So if we end up with another Labour govt, you'll be ok with that just because it keeps CMD out of Number 10?

I have to be honest and agree with don. I don't think, based on what I have seen/heard/read, that there is any difference whatsoever with the CMD Tories and Brown's Labour - do I want to be boiled or fried?

I cannot vote with any conscience for a party that reacts only to headlines and spin doctors, and if that allows Labour back in, so be it – and it is Cameron’s fault – he’s just a PR man with little to no vision other what his spin doctors tell him. Just like Brown, he tells us only what he thinks we want to hear. I want no more of that, thank you. IMOHO.

Me too, for too long we have been told to vote tactically, vote for the lesser of 2 evils and look where it's got us.
I doubt any of us are under any illusion that UKIP are ready for power or that a hung parliament is going to be pleasant but to continue voting for 2 parties that have displayed criminal disregard for the voter and cared only to enlarge their bank accounts and careers has been seen to be folly.
The only thing Brown has got right is "We need to make tough choices" he doesn't realise that it is the voter that has to make em.....and he ain't included

[Northern Munkee]

I think the lack of difference between Tory and labour policies, even if basis idealogical origin is different is why I feel inclined to vote ukip I don't think the Tories offer a genuine alternative to labour, I think people see more or less more of the same in voting CMD, that's what turning off voting for them. I've been reading Norman tebbitt and even he is doing everything but come out and endorse ukip, I used to hate tebbitt, and the Tories but I find his views are very much in line with what I want, and thise are not this variety of Tory.

Wasted or not( and if enough of us think this way) maybe were about to see a sea change in the democratic duopoly.

We can dream, can't we, or has that been legislated away now.

[chris watton]

YAD061 said:

Me too, for too long we have been told to vote tactically, vote for the lesser of 2 evils and look where it's got us.
I doubt any of us are under any illusion that UKIP are ready for power or that a hung parliament is going to be pleasant but to continue voting for 2 parties that have displayed criminal disregard for the voter and cared only to enlarge their bank accounts and careers has been seen to be folly.
The only thing Brown has got right is "We need to make tough choices" he doesn't realise that it is the voter that has to make em.....and he ain't included

I strongly suspect that a big part of the problem is that too many fingers, both Labour and Tory, are in the same money making pies. I would love to know how many MP’s or top civil servants have personal vested interests in things like carbon credit/trading schemes – and, if push comes to shove, would they do right for their people and country, or themselves. From what I have seen of this current lot, I’d wager on the latter.
After the expenses fiasco, I cannot take any of them seriously anyway – when I see them speak on TV or radio, all I can think is ‘What the hell are you still doing in that job’ No shame – no morals, no conviction whatsoever.