Now the pilots are taking BA to court

[gingerpaul]

Apparantly they don't get paid as much when they're on holiday as they do when they are working.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE61N0122010022...

"At present a BA pilot on holiday will take home less pay than if he or she was working -- something unheard of in other businesses and industries," BALPA's general secretary Jim McAuslan said.

For the average pilot BALPA reckons this is worth £600 for 4 weeks.

Is some of the allowances that they're missing out because they're not flying (food for example) or is there more to it than that?

[PJ S]

As I'm not an airline pilot, then I couldn't give a fudging monkey's what their "plight" is - they chose the career, they signed the contract, so now they can just STFU.

[robm3]

Any BA pilots on PH want to comment on this?

[elster]

I would have thought that pilots would be slightly better educated and hopefully more intelligent than the trolly dollies.

Obviously not, seems they all want a P45.

[hornetrider]

Isn't this the same as other industries with a 'shift allowance'?

Also - is an extra 600 quid per annum really going to make a huge addition to a pilot's salary?!

Edited by hornetrider on Wednesday 24th February 11:45

[cs02rm0]

Is it that they get paid less for holidays, or that they get extra flying pay?

[FourWheelDrift]

Poor loves, better drop their working salary to match their holiday salary then. That'll solve the argument.

[Silent1]

I reckon they get an airtime bonues and away from home pay which they're trying to argue should be paid on holiday as if they''re always flying.

[gingerpaul]

Silent1 said:

I reckon they get an airtime bonues and away from home pay which they're trying to argue should be paid on holiday as if they''re always flying.

This is what it sounded like to me. Absurd if this is the basis of the argument.

[eharding]

Not just BA - the BALPA are having a crack at Virgin, BMI, Easyjet and Cityflyer as well.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8532090.stm

[gingerpaul]

eharding said:

Not just BA - the BALPA are having a crack at Virgin, BMI, Easyjet and Cityflyer as well.....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8532090.stm

So they are!

"The pilots' union Balpa, says that Working Time Regulations set out how holiday pay should be calculated - as an average of the last 12 weeks' pay.

But those regulations do not apply to the airline industry, which is covered by the Civil Aviation Working Time Regulations. The union argues these don't specify how holiday pay should be calculated."

Surely there's no case to answer if the quoted text above is correct.

[528Sport]

As someone who would have loved to become an airline pilot (decided on a different indusrty) the prats that work and fly for BA should realsie that there is a whole host of people out there ready to jump into their shoes.
Being an airline pilot today may not be what it use to be but neither are a lot of jobs. So please stop moaning and get on with what your paid or you may not have a airline to sue, Also remeber there are people out there who will do the job for free if needs be.

Sadly I fear that BA will not be around much longer.

[Shaw Tarse]

Do they get paid when they have to stay somewhere when their flying time is up? Would they be forced to stay somwhere warm & sunny, in a hotel (do the trolley dollys have the same perks?) do the pilot's families ever join them on holiday the enforced rest period?

[bogwoppit]

528Sport said:

Also remeber there are people out there who will do the job for free if needs be.

Really? Seems unlikely.

[anonymous-user]

elster said:

I would have thought that pilots would be slightly better educated and hopefully more intelligent than the trolly dollies.

Obviously not, seems they all want a P45.

Too right!

Anyone who disputes anything wants a P45!

You don't really know what you are talking about do you?

[anonymous-user]

528Sport said:

As someone who would have loved to become an airline pilot (decided on a different indusrty) the prats that work and fly for BA should realsie that there is a whole host of people out there ready to jump into their shoes.
Being an airline pilot today may not be what it use to be but neither are a lot of jobs. So please stop moaning and get on with what your paid or you may not have a airline to sue, Also remeber there are people out there who will do the job for free if needs be.

Sadly I fear that BA will not be around much longer.

BA pilots like the engineers have already taken a pay cut and many have taken unpaid leave to help BA.

[TooLateForAName]

bogwoppit said:

528Sport said:

Also remeber there are people out there who will do the job for free if needs be.

Really? Seems unlikely.

True. Would you believe that there are currently people paying to be pilots

[anonymous-user]

TooLateForAName said:

bogwoppit said:

528Sport said:

Also remeber there are people out there who will do the job for free if needs be.

Really? Seems unlikely.

True. Would you believe that there are currently people paying to be pilots

People are paying for the training to become qualified as pilots but as far as I know there aren't any qualified U.K. pilots ( BA or otherwise) working for free or paying to fly for an airline.

[bobbylondonuk]

I would work for minimum wage as holiday pay. any BA top brass here who wants to train me up as replacement for their pilots? ohh and while you are at it...give me a contract 20% cheaper overall than the current flight deck contracts.

any takers?

[elster]

el stovey said:

elster said:

I would have thought that pilots would be slightly better educated and hopefully more intelligent than the trolly dollies.

Obviously not, seems they all want a P45.

Too right!

Anyone who disputes anything wants a P45!

You don't really know what you are talking about do you?

I was on about the timing of bringing this issue up at the same time as strike action.

The more damage you do to a company that offers a service means people will go for the service elsewhere.