Its Tragic, But A Little Part of Me...(killer whale attacks)
Its Tragic, But A Little Part of Me...(killer whale attacks)
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st_files

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5,443 posts

205 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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...is laughing. Whenever I see stories about captive animals mauling/killing their "trainers" I dont feel as much sympathy for the victim as I otherwise would. You want to keep large animals in cages and away from their natural habitat then dont be surprised if every now and then they take the opportunity to take a swing at you...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8535618....


Hugo a Gogo

23,428 posts

257 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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who'da thought 'killer whales' could be dangerous?

anonymous-user

78 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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12000lb Orca is not something to treat with anything but total respect. I think we sometimes forget that these are, essentially, wild animals no matter how much training they do with humans.

Tragic all the same.

Jasandjules

72,034 posts

253 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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st_files said:
...is laughing. Whenever I see stories about captive animals mauling/killing their "trainers" I dont feel as much sympathy for the victim as I otherwise would. You want to keep large animals in cages and away from their natural habitat then dont be surprised if every now and then they take the opportunity to take a swing at you...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8535618....
I am in the same boat. Whilst I would love to see them (and actually I have been to Sea World - in fact, I was there just a week or so after another Killer Whale drowned a trainer), I can't help but think they ought not to be in shows nor really in captivity (the only exception would be endangered animals in a captive breeding programme).....

Animals can be dangerous and can't really be kept in large enough enclosures when they are that large IMHO.

Soovy

35,829 posts

295 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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garyhun said:
12000lb Orca is not something to treat with anything but total respect. I think we sometimes forget that these are, essentially, wild animals no matter how much training they do with humans.

Tragic all the same.
It's a 12075lb Orca now.


Muzzer

3,814 posts

245 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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I've been to Seaworld a couple of times.

One gets the impression that the dolphins and smaller mammals seem reasonably happy. They have huge tanks and whilst not in the wild, they seem to have fun doing what they do.

The whale (Shamu) tank is literally enormous. However, the whales are aswell and one can't help but think they're not too happy.

One whale campaigner likened their tank to a human being forced to live in a bathtub all it's life and you can see their point. Whales cover huge distances in the wild and it's significant that whales in the wild are placid and ones in captivity can be aggressive.

Typical Disney though - those whales bring in far too many $$$$ to ever be released or 'discontinued'

y2blade

56,265 posts

239 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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"killer whale" kills something fleshy and tasty


what a surprise


shout NEXT

TonyHetherington

32,091 posts

274 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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What amazes me is that they have a history of doing so. If such a thing happens with a dog (just an attack, let alone a kill) then it's automatically put down, but the story reads like it's happened before.


Soovy

35,829 posts

295 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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TonyHetherington said:
What amazes me is that they have a history of doing so. If such a thing happens with a dog (just an attack, let alone a kill) then it's automatically put down, but the story reads like it's happened before.
It's killed three times now.


"How is it's temperament?"

"Lovely, wouldn't hurt a fly. Price is $10,000,000"

"Done"

"*cough*"


Edited by Soovy on Thursday 25th February 10:31

CastrolCraig.

18,073 posts

230 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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y2blade said:
"killer whale" kills something fleshy and tasty, that quite often orders it about and teases it with food.


what a surprise


shout NEXT
EFA


agree though fella.

sympathys to the family of the trainer, but mother nature doesnt instill a killer instinct into these animals for no reason, and no amount of training can take this out.


Eric Mc

124,973 posts

289 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Unfortunatelty, the thread title gives not a single clue as to its subject matter. The thread that DID mention the subject was closed down confused

st_files

Original Poster:

5,443 posts

205 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Muzzer said:
I've been to Seaworld a couple of times.

One gets the impression that the dolphins and smaller mammals seem reasonably happy. They have huge tanks and whilst not in the wild, they seem to have fun doing what they do.

The whale (Shamu) tank is literally enormous. However, the whales are aswell and one can't help but think they're not too happy.

One whale campaigner likened their tank to a human being forced to live in a bathtub all it's life and you can see their point. Whales cover huge distances in the wild and it's significant that whales in the wild are placid and ones in captivity can be aggressive.

Typical Disney though - those whales bring in far too many $$$$ to ever be released or 'discontinued'
These animals (in the case of killer whales) are used to having thousands of square miles of deep, clean water to roam about in. Big cats are used to hundreds of square miles to live in. Same with elephants. It just seems that these amazing animals are slowly biding their time and then, one day, after years of being stuck in a cage, they get their revenge. And good luck to them.

st_files

Original Poster:

5,443 posts

205 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Eric Mc said:
Unfortunatelty, the thread title gives not a single clue as to its subject matter. The thread that DID mention the subject was closed down confused
Why was it closed?

Soovy

35,829 posts

295 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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st_files said:
Muzzer said:
I've been to Seaworld a couple of times.

One gets the impression that the dolphins and smaller mammals seem reasonably happy. They have huge tanks and whilst not in the wild, they seem to have fun doing what they do.

The whale (Shamu) tank is literally enormous. However, the whales are aswell and one can't help but think they're not too happy.

One whale campaigner likened their tank to a human being forced to live in a bathtub all it's life and you can see their point. Whales cover huge distances in the wild and it's significant that whales in the wild are placid and ones in captivity can be aggressive.

Typical Disney though - those whales bring in far too many $$$$ to ever be released or 'discontinued'
These animals (in the case of killer whales) are used to having thousands of square miles of deep, clean water to roam about in. Big cats are used to hundreds of square miles to live in. Same with elephants. It just seems that these amazing animals are slowly biding their time and then, one day, after years of being stuck in a cage, they get their revenge. And good luck to them.
You're a dick.

This woman was KILLED.

I agree these animals have no place in captivity, but your attitude stinks.


Eric Mc

124,973 posts

289 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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st_files said:
Eric Mc said:
Unfortunatelty, the thread title gives not a single clue as to its subject matter. The thread that DID mention the subject was closed down confused
Why was it closed?
Duplication of subject matter.

st_files

Original Poster:

5,443 posts

205 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Soovy said:
st_files said:
Muzzer said:
I've been to Seaworld a couple of times.

One gets the impression that the dolphins and smaller mammals seem reasonably happy. They have huge tanks and whilst not in the wild, they seem to have fun doing what they do.

The whale (Shamu) tank is literally enormous. However, the whales are aswell and one can't help but think they're not too happy.

One whale campaigner likened their tank to a human being forced to live in a bathtub all it's life and you can see their point. Whales cover huge distances in the wild and it's significant that whales in the wild are placid and ones in captivity can be aggressive.

Typical Disney though - those whales bring in far too many $$$$ to ever be released or 'discontinued'
These animals (in the case of killer whales) are used to having thousands of square miles of deep, clean water to roam about in. Big cats are used to hundreds of square miles to live in. Same with elephants. It just seems that these amazing animals are slowly biding their time and then, one day, after years of being stuck in a cage, they get their revenge. And good luck to them.
You're a dick.

This woman was KILLED.

I agree these animals have no place in captivity, but your attitude stinks.
There's no need for name calling really, now is there?

As I said in the OP, this is tragic. As I also said my sympathies are slightly diluted by the fact that the victim was working with an enormous caged animal. What part of that do you find so distasteful? I am not rejoicing in her death in the slightest.

You dont seem to be able to grasp the fact that the victim here was not entirely innocent.

bonsai

2,015 posts

204 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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That whale really orca known better.

Diderot

9,326 posts

216 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Tragic of course. But I wonder what the reaction would have been if it had been a polar bear.

Chris71

21,548 posts

266 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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y2blade said:
fleshy and tasty
Not any more she's not.

hornetrider

63,161 posts

229 months

Thursday 25th February 2010
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Diderot said:
Tragic of course. But I wonder what the reaction would have been if it had been a polar bear.
If the whale had eaten a polar bear? I think lefty eco-mentalists would have imploded the world over.