Anyone watching 'End of the Line' on C4 now?
Discussion
Mclovin said:
its funny how you never here about overpopulation, which is the greatest problem we face, on the bbc....bbc has become a propaganda machine for global warming and government action...
It's a strange one, as an argument can be made, that if you tackle overpopulation, which ought to be halt population growth, then begin depopulating, to a sustainble level that the ecosystem can handle, then all the problems associated to humans (whether real or imaginary) would probably be taken care of, as a byproduct, although economic growth and the economies of world would need a rethink. The trouble for BBC and the liberal chattering classes, it would require a sea change, and some rather unpalatable policies, and the rolling back the rights of the individual, to breed like rabbits, at the expectation, of tax/benefit advantages in the West, and the socio-economic-religious-infant mortality imperatives in the developing world. Like one child per couple...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overpopulation
Never mind energy, unless we're heading off planet in significant numbers soon (I can't see it) wars for food, fresh water, are all out there in the distance.
Mclovin said:
its funny how you never here about overpopulation, which is the greatest problem we face, on the bbc....bbc has become a propaganda machine for global warming and government action...
There is a reason for that. The countries that tend to have large families tend to be darker than us. It would be 'racist'.Pesty said:
Mclovin said:
its funny how you never here about overpopulation, which is the greatest problem we face, on the bbc....bbc has become a propaganda machine for global warming and government action...
There is a reason for that. The countries that tend to have large families tend to be darker than us. It would be 'racist'.turbobloke said:
What's wrong with not eating so many fish?
Well if the sea is hoovered clear, and fish species crash one after another, Canada Cod and Blue fin Tuna, as recent cases in point, then eventually you will be eating less fish, as in there will few left to eat, think thats the basic premise of the programme, that'll mean more land agriculture to take up the slack, more deforestation to turned over to cattle, as more people want to eat more meat, more pressure on land, more degradation of soil, etc, more pressure on fresh water supply for agriculture and the growing cities, etc, etc, etc...Over fishing made worse by industrial and technological advances in fishing and a lack of serious co ordination of action on policy by short sighted governments and by serious lack of policing of fisheries. Sad.
Northern Munkee said:
turbobloke said:
What's wrong with not eating so many fish?
Well if the sea is hoovered clear...Eat less, fish less, more fish left.
For those who need fish as a key part of their diet, let them eat fish, for the rest, let them eat
Yep, I watched it too last night.
As an ex-fisherman of crab and lobster(college job in the 80's) and as a full time fisherman of Tuna & Swordfish in Venezeula on the longline boats 10 years ago, I did a bit of shouting at the telly.
The rape of the Seas is true and makes me feel a little bit of puke errupt into my mouth when I look at the monster machines hoover the seas of fish. Big bucks can be earned from fish NOW but what becomes of next year and the year after?
A slimeball in NY still owes me $5000 called Danny, he's the one who sells the type of fish to restaurants without telling them where its come from and how they are caught. The fish we caught was as ethical as we could but was dumped on the market with the stuff from the monster boats, how do we get top dollar for prime, ethical fish against the big boys?
All I can say is buy Blue Mark fish at the Supermarket or go to a good local Fishmonger and talk to him. Remember those Tiger Prawns from India are pumped full of toxins and then the residue is pumped out to sea killing the wild ones.
Its all like a bad Disney film in reverse.
The Cycle of Death.
Fish.
As an ex-fisherman of crab and lobster(college job in the 80's) and as a full time fisherman of Tuna & Swordfish in Venezeula on the longline boats 10 years ago, I did a bit of shouting at the telly.
The rape of the Seas is true and makes me feel a little bit of puke errupt into my mouth when I look at the monster machines hoover the seas of fish. Big bucks can be earned from fish NOW but what becomes of next year and the year after?
A slimeball in NY still owes me $5000 called Danny, he's the one who sells the type of fish to restaurants without telling them where its come from and how they are caught. The fish we caught was as ethical as we could but was dumped on the market with the stuff from the monster boats, how do we get top dollar for prime, ethical fish against the big boys?
All I can say is buy Blue Mark fish at the Supermarket or go to a good local Fishmonger and talk to him. Remember those Tiger Prawns from India are pumped full of toxins and then the residue is pumped out to sea killing the wild ones.
Its all like a bad Disney film in reverse.
The Cycle of Death.
Fish.
Edited by Fishtigua on Sunday 7th March 14:49
CommanderJameson said:
Pesty said:
Mclovin said:
its funny how you never here about overpopulation, which is the greatest problem we face, on the bbc....bbc has become a propaganda machine for global warming and government action...
There is a reason for that. The countries that tend to have large families tend to be darker than us. It would be 'racist'.turbobloke said:
What's wrong with not eating so many fish?
{Sticks green hat firmly on}We ain't eating them
We catch them and kill them and then throw back 50% which is frankly a bloody stupid waste of resources.
And once the fish populations are gone thats it they are gone as they won't come back and we screw up the ecosystem of the sea.
Sadly fish aren't cute nor fluffy so most eco-warriers don't give a f
k about them.Also another way to think of the fish stock is a bank account. If you take a small amount out of it the interest will replace what is taken but if you take loads you get less and less cash in the bank and your interest also falls off. Overfishing is a terrible thing if only for the fact it threatens our nice fish and chips
We think of Fish (Cod) & Chips as a Right. No it bleeding ain't, it's a treat once in a while; like Beef or Lamb.
Yes there is an overpopulation in the world living on unstainable lands and coastal areas. What do we do, let Live Aid save them all or let Mother Nature and Darwin do the work?
Withdraw medical help? Tell the Pope he's doing God's work by letting them all die of AIDS? It's a big old world and needs a grown-up stratagy.
The UN just doesn't cut it.
Yes there is an overpopulation in the world living on unstainable lands and coastal areas. What do we do, let Live Aid save them all or let Mother Nature and Darwin do the work?
Withdraw medical help? Tell the Pope he's doing God's work by letting them all die of AIDS? It's a big old world and needs a grown-up stratagy.
The UN just doesn't cut it.
Fishtigua said:
We think of Fish (Cod) & Chips as a Right. No it bleeding ain't, it's a treat once in a while; like Beef or Lamb.
Yes there is an overpopulation in the world living on unstainable lands and coastal areas. What do we do, let Live Aid save them all or let Mother Nature and Darwin do the work?
Withdraw medical help? Tell the Pope he's doing God's work by letting them all die of AIDS? It's a big old world and needs a grown-up stratagy.
The UN just doesn't cut it.
well I wouldn't have started with the pope, but since you mention him, accepting reality, and the pragmatic use of barrier contraception as birth control and STD infection prevention (bit of a stretch for them on abortion agreed) by the catholic church might be one tiny grown up step, in much bigger wider strategy.Yes there is an overpopulation in the world living on unstainable lands and coastal areas. What do we do, let Live Aid save them all or let Mother Nature and Darwin do the work?
Withdraw medical help? Tell the Pope he's doing God's work by letting them all die of AIDS? It's a big old world and needs a grown-up stratagy.
The UN just doesn't cut it.
Yes the UN is ineffectual as it's individual members, we could let nature takes it's course, and eventually the rich wealthy countries will eventually not only be unable to feed the poor nations, but won't be able to feed themselves, and as the carrying capacity of the environment to sustain 9billion by 2050, crashes our species will crash like the fish. Ho hum.
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