Next country upset with the US - Netherlands
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Telegraph
Article said:
A Former American general blamed "open homosexuality" in the Dutch army for the failure to prevent the Srebrenica massacre in 1995.
The Dutch government condemned the comments by Gen John Sheehan, a former NATO commander and senior Marine officer, as outrageous.
Gen Sheehan made the remarks at a Senate hearing where he argued against plans by President Barack Obama to end a ban on allowing gays to serve openly in the US military.
The Dutch government condemned the comments by Gen John Sheehan, a former NATO commander and senior Marine officer, as outrageous.
Gen Sheehan made the remarks at a Senate hearing where he argued against plans by President Barack Obama to end a ban on allowing gays to serve openly in the US military.
From the Huffington Post:
Sheehan said European militaries deteriorated after the collapse of the Soviet Union and focused on peacekeeping because "they did not believe the Germans were going to attack again or the Soviets were coming back."
Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and other nations believed there was no longer a need for an active combat capability in the militaries, he said. "They declared a peace dividend and made a conscious effort to socialize their military – that includes the unionization of their militaries, it includes open homosexuality."
Dutch troops serving as U.N. peacekeepers and tasked with defending the town of Srebrenica in 1995 were an example of a force that became ill-equipped for war.
"The battalion was understrength, poorly led, and the Serbs came into town, handcuffed the soldiers to the telephone poles, marched the Muslims off, and executed them," Sheehan said.
"That was the largest massacre in Europe since World War II," he said of the killing of some 8,000 Bosnian Muslim boys and men after Serbian forces captured the town.
Levin, D-Mich., appeared incredulous. "Did the Dutch leaders tell you it (the fall of Srebrenica) was because there were gay soldiers there?" he asked.
"Yes," Sheehan said. "They included that as part of the problem." He said the former chief of staff of the Dutch army had told him.
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Looks like the former chief of staff of the Dutch Army is the one that needs to answer some questions.
Sheehan said European militaries deteriorated after the collapse of the Soviet Union and focused on peacekeeping because "they did not believe the Germans were going to attack again or the Soviets were coming back."
Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and other nations believed there was no longer a need for an active combat capability in the militaries, he said. "They declared a peace dividend and made a conscious effort to socialize their military – that includes the unionization of their militaries, it includes open homosexuality."
Dutch troops serving as U.N. peacekeepers and tasked with defending the town of Srebrenica in 1995 were an example of a force that became ill-equipped for war.
"The battalion was understrength, poorly led, and the Serbs came into town, handcuffed the soldiers to the telephone poles, marched the Muslims off, and executed them," Sheehan said.
"That was the largest massacre in Europe since World War II," he said of the killing of some 8,000 Bosnian Muslim boys and men after Serbian forces captured the town.
Levin, D-Mich., appeared incredulous. "Did the Dutch leaders tell you it (the fall of Srebrenica) was because there were gay soldiers there?" he asked.
"Yes," Sheehan said. "They included that as part of the problem." He said the former chief of staff of the Dutch army had told him.
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Looks like the former chief of staff of the Dutch Army is the one that needs to answer some questions.
Knowing Sheehan fairly well, I have to say he is one of the most straight talking yanks I've ever come across. No BS & he calls it like it is. Was in one meeting with him & the subject came up of the number of people we were having die at work....he said "it's not stress, just everyones unfit. Look at Fred (pointing to a 30ish guy in the meeting)...he's fat, overweight & unfit. He'll be dead inside 10 years. This is what we have to do something about!"
No PC says it like it is!!
No PC says it like it is!!
rhinochopig said:
IIRC Spartans were practising homosexuals and they were pretty robust soldiers. I know I've seen the documentary 300.
That is different, the Spartans virtually institutionalised homosexual acts....like Pedastry it actually teaches discipline and restraint. The homosexuality within the Dutch army was a loss of discipline...a degeneration in hedonism is the point.FarleyRusk said:
I think he was talking metaphorically. A had a good discussion about this with Dutch colleagues today and even they thought that their soldiers weren't actually being trained to kill.
I wonder what you do train soldiers for, if not to kill. Hmmm.......ABOUT TURN! QUICK MINCE!
ErnestM said:
From the Huffington Post:
Sheehan said European militaries deteriorated after the collapse of the Soviet Union and focused on peacekeeping because "they did not believe the Germans were going to attack again or the Soviets were coming back."
Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and other nations believed there was no longer a need for an active combat capability in the militaries, he said. "They declared a peace dividend and made a conscious effort to socialize their military – that includes the unionization of their militaries, it includes open homosexuality."
Dutch troops serving as U.N. peacekeepers and tasked with defending the town of Srebrenica in 1995 were an example of a force that became ill-equipped for war.
"The battalion was understrength, poorly led, and the Serbs came into town, handcuffed the soldiers to the telephone poles, marched the Muslims off, and executed them," Sheehan said.
"That was the largest massacre in Europe since World War II," he said of the killing of some 8,000 Bosnian Muslim boys and men after Serbian forces captured the town.
Levin, D-Mich., appeared incredulous. "Did the Dutch leaders tell you it (the fall of Srebrenica) was because there were gay soldiers there?" he asked.
"Yes," Sheehan said. "They included that as part of the problem." He said the former chief of staff of the Dutch army had told him.
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Looks like the former chief of staff of the Dutch Army is the one that needs to answer some questions.
It's very much doubted over here that the chief of staff would say that. It would be absolute career suicide. Sheehan said European militaries deteriorated after the collapse of the Soviet Union and focused on peacekeeping because "they did not believe the Germans were going to attack again or the Soviets were coming back."
Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and other nations believed there was no longer a need for an active combat capability in the militaries, he said. "They declared a peace dividend and made a conscious effort to socialize their military – that includes the unionization of their militaries, it includes open homosexuality."
Dutch troops serving as U.N. peacekeepers and tasked with defending the town of Srebrenica in 1995 were an example of a force that became ill-equipped for war.
"The battalion was understrength, poorly led, and the Serbs came into town, handcuffed the soldiers to the telephone poles, marched the Muslims off, and executed them," Sheehan said.
"That was the largest massacre in Europe since World War II," he said of the killing of some 8,000 Bosnian Muslim boys and men after Serbian forces captured the town.
Levin, D-Mich., appeared incredulous. "Did the Dutch leaders tell you it (the fall of Srebrenica) was because there were gay soldiers there?" he asked.
"Yes," Sheehan said. "They included that as part of the problem." He said the former chief of staff of the Dutch army had told him.
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Looks like the former chief of staff of the Dutch Army is the one that needs to answer some questions.
Whether or not that army is trained in the same manner (ie. with the same objectives) as the US one, that's another discussion.
FarleyRusk said:
I think he was talking metaphorically. A had a good discussion about this with Dutch colleagues today and even they thought that their soldiers weren't actually being trained to kill.
I did some work/training with the Dutch Marines - good blokes and hard as nails.Sex was awesome too...
NAS said:
ErnestM said:
Looks like the former chief of staff of the Dutch Army is the one that needs to answer some questions.
It's very much doubted over here that the chief of staff would say that. It would be absolute career suicide. Whether or not that army is trained in the same manner (ie. with the same objectives) as the US one, that's another discussion.
ErnestM said:
From the Huffington Post:
Sheehan said European militaries deteriorated after the collapse of the Soviet Union and focused on peacekeeping because "they did not believe the Germans were going to attack again or the Soviets were coming back."
Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and other nations believed there was no longer a need for an active combat capability in the militaries, he said. "They declared a peace dividend and made a conscious effort to socialize their military – that includes the unionization of their militaries, it includes open homosexuality."
Dutch troops serving as U.N. peacekeepers and tasked with defending the town of Srebrenica in 1995 were an example of a force that became ill-equipped for war.
"The battalion was understrength, poorly led, and the Serbs came into town, handcuffed the soldiers to the telephone poles, marched the Muslims off, and executed them," Sheehan said.
"That was the largest massacre in Europe since World War II," he said of the killing of some 8,000 Bosnian Muslim boys and men after Serbian forces captured the town.
Levin, D-Mich., appeared incredulous. "Did the Dutch leaders tell you it (the fall of Srebrenica) was because there were gay soldiers there?" he asked.
"Yes," Sheehan said. "They included that as part of the problem." He said the former chief of staff of the Dutch army had told him.
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Looks like the former chief of staff of the Dutch Army is the one that needs to answer some questions.
Crazy $hit! Sheehan said European militaries deteriorated after the collapse of the Soviet Union and focused on peacekeeping because "they did not believe the Germans were going to attack again or the Soviets were coming back."
Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and other nations believed there was no longer a need for an active combat capability in the militaries, he said. "They declared a peace dividend and made a conscious effort to socialize their military – that includes the unionization of their militaries, it includes open homosexuality."
Dutch troops serving as U.N. peacekeepers and tasked with defending the town of Srebrenica in 1995 were an example of a force that became ill-equipped for war.
"The battalion was understrength, poorly led, and the Serbs came into town, handcuffed the soldiers to the telephone poles, marched the Muslims off, and executed them," Sheehan said.
"That was the largest massacre in Europe since World War II," he said of the killing of some 8,000 Bosnian Muslim boys and men after Serbian forces captured the town.
Levin, D-Mich., appeared incredulous. "Did the Dutch leaders tell you it (the fall of Srebrenica) was because there were gay soldiers there?" he asked.
"Yes," Sheehan said. "They included that as part of the problem." He said the former chief of staff of the Dutch army had told him.
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Looks like the former chief of staff of the Dutch Army is the one that needs to answer some questions.
The touchy-feely, PCish way we are heading is going to destroy us all.Asterix said:
FarleyRusk said:
I think he was talking metaphorically. A had a good discussion about this with Dutch colleagues today and even they thought that their soldiers weren't actually being trained to kill.
I did some work/training with the Dutch Marines - good blokes and hard as nails.Sex was awesome too...
The Netherlands is PC central - the leftie local government in Utrecht even set a council advice centre in "an immigrant place of worship" with separate his and hers desks. Poor whiteys have to go to the council offices and stand in line. Its f
king mad here.ErnestM said:
NAS said:
ErnestM said:
Looks like the former chief of staff of the Dutch Army is the one that needs to answer some questions.
It's very much doubted over here that the chief of staff would say that. It would be absolute career suicide. Whether or not that army is trained in the same manner (ie. with the same objectives) as the US one, that's another discussion.
Speaker for the Ministry of Defense has called it "Nonsense, that was never said" but so far, no word from the former chief of staff. It would help.
Edited by NAS on Saturday 20th March 09:06
FarleyRusk said:
The Netherlands is PC central
Maybe, but compared to UK.gov the Dutch local and national governments are an oasis of common sense - the only real threat is the Dutch labour party clearly having been enamoured with New Labour's practices and trying to emulate building a PC, Big Brother centralist state ever since...Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff