"Wind Farms Are Pretty Useless", Shocker!
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From today's Sunday Times.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/...
There's an editorial too slating wind farms.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/...
Article said:
THE first detailed study of Britain’s onshore wind farms suggests some treasured landscapes may have been blighted for only small gains in green energy.
The analysis reveals that more than 20 wind farms produce less than a fifth of their potential maximum power output.
One site, at Blyth Harbour in Northumberland, is thought to be the worst in Britain, operating at just 7.9% of its maximum capacity. Another at Chelker reservoir in North Yorkshire operates at only 8.7% of capacity.
Oh well. The analysis reveals that more than 20 wind farms produce less than a fifth of their potential maximum power output.
One site, at Blyth Harbour in Northumberland, is thought to be the worst in Britain, operating at just 7.9% of its maximum capacity. Another at Chelker reservoir in North Yorkshire operates at only 8.7% of capacity.
There's an editorial too slating wind farms.
Times article said:
“Too many developments are underperforming,” he said. “It’s because developers grossly exaggerate the potential. The subsidies make it viable for developers to put turbines on sites they would not touch if the money was not available.”
What a surprise.Edited to fix abysmal quoting skills. Twice.
Edited by fathomfive on Sunday 21st March 09:17
And in the meantime, rules on the culling of elephants has been eased and the trees in the Amazonian rain forest continue to be felled aplomb; this is what environmental groups should be concentrating on. They are no better, and possibly a lot worse, than any unscrupulous profit making business.
Like the MP's and their expenses, they are all, once you scratch off the thin veneer of respectability and moral posturing, no better than racketeers and con artists who are 'in it' for themselves. It is quite sickening when looked at in the cold light of day.
Like the MP's and their expenses, they are all, once you scratch off the thin veneer of respectability and moral posturing, no better than racketeers and con artists who are 'in it' for themselves. It is quite sickening when looked at in the cold light of day.
chris watton said:
And in the meantime, rules on the culling of elephants has been eased and the trees in the Amazonian rain forest continue to be felled aplomb; this is what environmental groups should be concentrating on. They are no better, and possibly a lot worse, than any unscrupulous profit making business.
Like the MP's and their expenses, they are all, once you scratch off the thin veneer of respectability and moral posturing, no better than racketeers and con artists who are 'in it' for themselves. It is quite sickening when looked at in the cold light of day.
Absolutely right. a bunch of con-men and crooks in it for there own glory and reward feeding off, in general, a gullible and stupid population.Like the MP's and their expenses, they are all, once you scratch off the thin veneer of respectability and moral posturing, no better than racketeers and con artists who are 'in it' for themselves. It is quite sickening when looked at in the cold light of day.
stigmundfreud said:
early days, you need to do these things to develop it more. Look at the power/reliability of cars in 1890
I may be being simplistic here, or just simple, but if they are only operating at 8%ish of capacity, is that because they are not going round fast enough, ergo, not enough wind. How is development going to produce more wind?Every green initiative has some sort of problem. Light bulbs, hybrid cars, solar panels, wind farms... It's quite funny.
We should start up a rumour that doing something that we'll make up is a great environmentally-friendly idea but when you examine it in detail it turns out to be stupid, just for amusement value. See how many emails go round telling friends to do it or how many times it appears on green websites.
We should start up a rumour that doing something that we'll make up is a great environmentally-friendly idea but when you examine it in detail it turns out to be stupid, just for amusement value. See how many emails go round telling friends to do it or how many times it appears on green websites.
DSM2 said:
chris watton said:
And in the meantime, rules on the culling of elephants has been eased and the trees in the Amazonian rain forest continue to be felled aplomb; this is what environmental groups should be concentrating on. They are no better, and possibly a lot worse, than any unscrupulous profit making business.
Like the MP's and their expenses, they are all, once you scratch off the thin veneer of respectability and moral posturing, no better than racketeers and con artists who are 'in it' for themselves. It is quite sickening when looked at in the cold light of day.
Absolutely right. a bunch of con-men and crooks in it for there own glory and reward feeding off, in general, a gullible and stupid population.Like the MP's and their expenses, they are all, once you scratch off the thin veneer of respectability and moral posturing, no better than racketeers and con artists who are 'in it' for themselves. It is quite sickening when looked at in the cold light of day.
Communities should benefit if they host wind farms
Saturday, November 28 2009
In a speech at Oxford University, Shadow Energy and Climate Change Secretary, Greg Clark, set out more ways in which a Conservative government would unlock the potential of communities and individuals to tackle climate change.
Building on speeches given by a number of Shadow Cabinet colleagues on climate change related issues, Greg gave examples of how government policy could improve community support for wind farms. Under Conservative plans:
Communities that host wind farms will be allowed to keep all of the increase in business rates from any wind development for the first six years. This will equate to around £72,000 a year in rates going back into the local community, from a 10MW wind farm (about five large turbines).
Greg Clark also announced that Conservatives are in discussion with the wind industry for further ways communities can share in the benefits including:
Communities benefiting from discounted electricity rates for the duration of the wind farm’s life.
Communities having the opportunity to take part ownership of a local wind farm, so that a proportion of the revenues generated will stay in the local area."
However, to be fair to them, most, if not all parties have also salivated over the "pulling power" of the highly visible windfarms.
Edited by Mojocvh on Sunday 21st March 11:29
Greeny said:
I may be being simplistic here, or just simple, but if they are only operating at 8%ish of capacity, is that because they are not going round fast enough, ergo, not enough wind. How is development going to produce more wind?
I understand that they plan to set up electric fan farms, conected to the National Grid. The fan farms will be situated next to the wind turbine farms.When there's no wind in a particular area, the electric fans will be switched on, so creating a breeze which will power the turbines, enabling them to generate electricity.
HTH.
Blib said:
Greeny said:
I may be being simplistic here, or just simple, but if they are only operating at 8%ish of capacity, is that because they are not going round fast enough, ergo, not enough wind. How is development going to produce more wind?
I understand that they plan to set up electric fan farms, conected to the National Grid. The fan farms will be situated next to the wind turbine farms.When there's no wind in a particular area, the electric fans will be switched on, so creating a breeze which will power the turbines, enabling them to generate electricity.
HTH.
Wind farming is more about harvesting grants than generating electricity.
News item on a new machine generating electricity from tidal wave motion. Big enough to climb into and walk around in. Commentator asks 'What if there is a flat calm?'. Reply 'It won't generate'.
So no technology advance there then as waves are generated by the wind anyway.
News item on a new machine generating electricity from tidal wave motion. Big enough to climb into and walk around in. Commentator asks 'What if there is a flat calm?'. Reply 'It won't generate'.
So no technology advance there then as waves are generated by the wind anyway.
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