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anonymous said:
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It's the other insinuations and accusations that terrify me!This is an accusation of the endemic institutional bentness of an entire council and the Labour Party in the Glasgow area as a whole. It's saying that the entire organisation is institutionally corrupt and to fix it the thing would need to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.
Never in my life have I heard it suggested that an entire organisation is corrupt. Individuals, yes! DFepartmental cultures, yes! Whole institutions?
Wow. Just, wow.
Don said:
anonymous said:
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It's the other insinuations and accusations that terrify me!This is an accusation of the endemic institutional bentness of an entire council and the Labour Party in the Glasgow area as a whole. It's saying that the entire organisation is institutionally corrupt and to fix it the thing would need to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.
Never in my life have I heard it suggested that an entire organisation is corrupt. Individuals, yes! DFepartmental cultures, yes! Whole institutions?
Wow. Just, wow.
Incredible Sulk said:
Don said:
anonymous said:
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It's the other insinuations and accusations that terrify me!This is an accusation of the endemic institutional bentness of an entire council and the Labour Party in the Glasgow area as a whole. It's saying that the entire organisation is institutionally corrupt and to fix it the thing would need to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.
Never in my life have I heard it suggested that an entire organisation is corrupt. Individuals, yes! DFepartmental cultures, yes! Whole institutions?
Wow. Just, wow.
'It is on Clydeside, where both Gordon Brown and Michael Martin, the mendacious Prime Minister and equally mendacious ex-Speaker, acquired their safe seats, voted into power by a collection of gangsters, hoodlums, drug barons, religious fanatics, and professional criminals who would have felt at home in Al Capone’s Chicago.
Read more: http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/brown-sugar-an...
AFAIK Brown was born in Glasgow, but got his seat in Fife. However the influence of the Glasgow Labour Mafia extends throughout Scotch Labour.
Edited by s2art on Thursday 25th March 17:15
s2art said:
Did you read the link?
'It is on Clydeside, where both Gordon Brown and Michael Martin, the mendacious Prime Minister and equally mendacious ex-Speaker, acquired their safe seats, voted into power by a collection of gangsters, hoodlums, drug barons, religious fanatics, and professional criminals who would have felt at home in Al Capone’s Chicago.
Read more: http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/brown-sugar-an...
I did read the link thanks. The only seat that Winky has held, AFAIK, is Dunfermline East. Which is not on Clydeside. It's on the other side of Scotland.'It is on Clydeside, where both Gordon Brown and Michael Martin, the mendacious Prime Minister and equally mendacious ex-Speaker, acquired their safe seats, voted into power by a collection of gangsters, hoodlums, drug barons, religious fanatics, and professional criminals who would have felt at home in Al Capone’s Chicago.
Read more: http://www.annaraccoon.com/politics/brown-sugar-an...
Don said:
This is an accusation of the endemic institutional bentness of an entire council and the Labour Party in the Glasgow area as a whole. It's saying that the entire organisation is institutionally corrupt and to fix it the thing would need to be torn down and rebuilt from the ground up.
Never in my life have I heard it suggested that an entire organisation is corrupt. Individuals, yes! Departmental cultures, yes! Whole institutions?
Wow. Just, wow.
YOu should read up on the Metropolitan Borough of Doncaster (aka Donnygate). Or London Borough of Tower Hamlets (and the lovely Lutfur Rahman)?Never in my life have I heard it suggested that an entire organisation is corrupt. Individuals, yes! Departmental cultures, yes! Whole institutions?
Wow. Just, wow.
statts1976uk said:
Brown wasn't born in Glasgow, he was born in Giffnock nearby but not part of Scotland's second city. He was brought up in Fife as his father was a clergyman and they lived in a manse in Kirkcaldy and he has only represented the Dunfermline seat in the House of Commons.
Ok. I still suspect that Brown got his leg up in Labour during the time he worked in Glasgow. This was just before he got the seat in Dunfermline.I think he got his leg up whilst at Edinburgh University as he was politically active there and served as Rector. He was already standing for parliament before he headed to Glasgow. Glasgow has always been a hotbed of Socialism and even Communism raised it head in it's industrial areas. The thing is though that all politicians have had to get a leg up whether it be due to cronyism, money or even ,as Labour's all female selection lists show, sex. Politics is a very murky, dirty game and sadly no-one enters it now to serve the public.
s2art said:
statts1976uk said:
Brown wasn't born in Glasgow, he was born in Giffnock nearby but not part of Scotland's second city. He was brought up in Fife as his father was a clergyman and they lived in a manse in Kirkcaldy and he has only represented the Dunfermline seat in the House of Commons.
Ok. I still suspect that Brown got his leg up in Labour during the time he worked in Glasgow. This was just before he got the seat in Dunfermline.chim said:
That really was a whole load of s
te. Glasgow is a crap council, there are some dodgy regions and councilors, but to suggest that the voters where intimidated by drug dealers etc etc etc is pure fantasy land. This really should be posted over on conspiracies are us.
te. Glasgow is a crap council, there are some dodgy regions and councilors, but to suggest that the voters where intimidated by drug dealers etc etc etc is pure fantasy land. This really should be posted over on conspiracies are us.
No need to intimidate anyone to get the Labour vote out in Glasgow.
It's not really news that the Glasgow Labour Party is as bent as a nine bob note.
statts1976uk said:
I think he got his leg up whilst at Edinburgh University as he was politically active there and served as Rector. He was already standing for parliament before he headed to Glasgow. Glasgow has always been a hotbed of Socialism and even Communism raised it head in it's industrial areas. The thing is though that all politicians have had to get a leg up whether it be due to cronyism, money or even ,as Labour's all female selection lists show, sex. Politics is a very murky, dirty game and sadly no-one enters it now to serve the public.
Nothing BENT about the Clydebank 13, social reformers, communist to boot, they would be appalled at the supposed socialist party today.ninja-lewis said:
I wouldn't associate Brown with the Weegie Mafia either. He eventually got his Dunfermline seat through the patronage of the TGWU (Jack Jones et al). Most of the East Coast Labour MPs/Councilors are Alistair Darling/David Begg types who have to fight off one, two or all of the Tories, Lib Dems and the SNP.
Edinburgh Labour is sufficiently embattled to keep it faintly honest, even whilst providing a nest for vipers like Begg, but in much of Fife the Labour Party is as entrenched, if not quite as smelly, as the one in Glasgow...fluffnik said:
ninja-lewis said:
I wouldn't associate Brown with the Weegie Mafia either. He eventually got his Dunfermline seat through the patronage of the TGWU (Jack Jones et al). Most of the East Coast Labour MPs/Councilors are Alistair Darling/David Begg types who have to fight off one, two or all of the Tories, Lib Dems and the SNP.
Edinburgh Labour is sufficiently embattled to keep it faintly honest, even whilst providing a nest for vipers like Begg, but in much of Fife the Labour Party is as entrenched, if not quite as smelly, as the one in Glasgow...The Tories attempted to gerrymander a couple of seats away from Labour in the mid-late 90s by re-drawing the boundaries to create winnable seats. Unfortunately it didn't work, so we've got a Lib Dem in the leafy bit of Dunbartonshire and Scottish Secretary Jim Murphy in the previously Tory bit of East Renfrewshire (council created to give the Tories a chance of getting a council, currently NOC, with 7 Tories & 7 Labour)
Edinburgh, as Fluffnik says is a different kettle of fish - different social makeup, more competition with the Tories & the SNP, council is now Lib Dem/SNP thanks to proportional voting. Fife I'm not so sure about - Gordo got a shock a couple of years ago when a by-election gave him a Lib-Dem for a neighbouring MP and North East Fife (St. Andrews etc) has always been more Lib Dem (Menzies Campbell is the MP), south Fife where Brown is would probably tend to be more Labour leaning - it's more industrial, though a lot of people seem to use it as a dormitory for jobs in Edinburgh. Brown managed to win a by-election in Glenrothes in 2008, so it's still a stronghold, though the neighbouring Edinburgh & north Fife areas might keep Labour in check here.
Basically the big problem with Glasgow is that it's the epicentre of Labour's powerbase, so there's very little pressure from the other parties in surrounding areas - in areas where their power is less concentrated, the excesses seem to be a lot less marked.
God knows what'll happen in the election, but I strongly suspect Glasgow will be all red again (sadly)
fluffnik said:
chim said:
That really was a whole load of ste. Glasgow is a crap council, there are some dodgy regions and councilors, but to suggest that the voters where intimidated by drug dealers etc etc etc is pure fantasy land. This really should be posted over on conspiracies are us.
te. Glasgow is a crap council, there are some dodgy regions and councilors, but to suggest that the voters where intimidated by drug dealers etc etc etc is pure fantasy land. This really should be posted over on conspiracies are us.No need to intimidate anyone to get the Labour vote out in Glasgow.
It's not really news that the Glasgow Labour Party is as bent as a nine bob note.
alangla said:
Loads of interesting stuff.................and
Basically the big problem with Glasgow is that it's the epicentre of Labour's powerbase, so there's very little pressure from the other parties in surrounding areas - in areas where their power is less concentrated, the excesses seem to be a lot less marked.
God knows what'll happen in the election, but I strongly suspect Glasgow will be all red again (sadly)
I suspect you are right. One of the reasons I'm quite pro SNP is that I see them as being the only people who have a realistic chance in the medium to long term of making a dent in the Labour hegemony in Scotland. I can't see the Tories or the LibDems making any inroads (or having any sort of appeal) to the average punter who lives in Castlemilk or Easterhouse. But, as you say, it probably isn't going to happen this time round.Basically the big problem with Glasgow is that it's the epicentre of Labour's powerbase, so there's very little pressure from the other parties in surrounding areas - in areas where their power is less concentrated, the excesses seem to be a lot less marked.
God knows what'll happen in the election, but I strongly suspect Glasgow will be all red again (sadly)
s2art said:
.................... However the influence of the Glasgow Labour Mafia extends throughout Scotch Labour.
Pedantic point. You have Scotch Whisky, Pies and Eggs. It's the Scottish Labour Party.Gassing Station | News, Politics & Economics | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff