NEW EU GESTAPO SPIES ON BRITONS
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t? The NWO is here!WEHGuy said:
Here's an equation for you:
Daily Express + EU story = Misrepresented bullshyte.
D-Angle said:
WEHGuy said:
The NWO is here!
The EU has been taken over by steroid-riddled 50 year olds with bad mullets! Saints preserve us!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gz-90tcmAlA
D-Angle said:
WEHGuy said:
The NWO is here!
The EU has been taken over by steroid-riddled 50 year olds with bad mullets! Saints preserve us!TNA!
TNA!
TNA!
mybrainhurts said:
Yes, very funny...HO HO HO
Now, go and search out details of its powers and how loose its terms of reference are...
Then have another good laugh.
Somebody was bound to bite eventually Now, go and search out details of its powers and how loose its terms of reference are...
Then have another good laugh.
Edited by mybrainhurts on Saturday 27th March 00:05
This is another Express manufactured story. You worry if you want to ...
rs1952 said:
mybrainhurts said:
Yes, very funny...HO HO HO
Now, go and search out details of its powers and how loose its terms of reference are...
Then have another good laugh.
Somebody was bound to bite eventually Now, go and search out details of its powers and how loose its terms of reference are...
Then have another good laugh.
Edited by mybrainhurts on Saturday 27th March 00:05
This is another Express manufactured story. You worry if you want to ...
I didn't see the Express story.
Now go and check its powers and how loose its terms of reference are.
Rusty Arches said:
D-Angle said:
WEHGuy said:
The NWO is here!
The EU has been taken over by steroid-riddled 50 year olds with bad mullets! Saints preserve us!TNA!
TNA!
TNA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApsIRlBi4LE
mybrainhurts said:
rs1952 said:
mybrainhurts said:
Yes, very funny...HO HO HO
Now, go and search out details of its powers and how loose its terms of reference are...
Then have another good laugh.
Somebody was bound to bite eventually Now, go and search out details of its powers and how loose its terms of reference are...
Then have another good laugh.
Edited by mybrainhurts on Saturday 27th March 00:05
This is another Express manufactured story. You worry if you want to ...
I didn't see the Express story.
Now go and check its powers and how loose its terms of reference are.
Edited by WEHGuy on Saturday 27th March 09:54
LOL, of course they will.
Maybe you'd be better off here with all the other tin-foil milliners??
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/21/pg1/srtpage...
WEHGuy said:
mybrainhurts said:
rs1952 said:
mybrainhurts said:
Yes, very funny...HO HO HO
Now, go and search out details of its powers and how loose its terms of reference are...
Then have another good laugh.
Somebody was bound to bite eventually Now, go and search out details of its powers and how loose its terms of reference are...
Then have another good laugh.
Edited by mybrainhurts on Saturday 27th March 00:05
This is another Express manufactured story. You worry if you want to ...
I didn't see the Express story.
Now go and check its powers and how loose its terms of reference are.
Edited by WEHGuy on Saturday 27th March 09:54
For anybody who is lacking the ability to click a link on a webpage, here is the story. I nearly typed "article" but then thought "stoy" was much better.fairy story said:
MILLIONS of Britons face being snooped on by a new European intelligence agency which has been handed frightening powers to pry into our lives.
Europol can access personal information on anyone – including their political opinions and sexual preferences – if it suspects, rightly or wrongly, that they may be involved in any “preparatory act” which could lead to criminal activity.
The vagueness of the Hague-based force’s remit sparked furious protests yesterday with critics warning that the EU snoopers threaten our right to free speech.
It is understood the agency will concentrate on anyone thought “xenophobic” or likely to commit a crime involving the environment, computers or motor vehicles.
This could include covert monitoring of people who deny the existence of climate change or speak out on controversial issues.
Paul Nuttall, chairman of the UK Independence Party, said: “I am horrified. We thought Gordon Brown’s Big Brother state was bad enough but at least we are going to kick him out in May. These guys we cannot sack until we leave the EU.”
James Welch, legal director of campaign group Liberty, said: “We have huge concerns that Europol appears to have been given powers to hold very sensitive information and to investigate matters that aren’t even crimes in this country. Any extension of police powers at any level needs to be properly debated and scrutinised.”
Until January 1, Europol was a police office funded by various states to help tackle international organised crime. But it has been reborn as the official criminal intelligence-gathering arm of the EU and Brussels has vastly increased its powers.
It can now target more than simply organised crime and the burden of proof required to begin monitoring an individual has been downgraded.
Europol has also been absorbed into the EU superstructure, so it will be centrally funded, sweeping away a key check on its independence.
Campaigners last night expressed concern over the vague list of “serious crimes” which the agency can help investigate, which include racism and xenophobia, environmental crime and corruption. Among personal details that can be gathered and stored are “behavioural data” including “lifestyle and routine; movements; places frequented”, tax position and profiles of DNA and voice.
Where relevant, Europol will also be able to keep data on a person’s “political opinions, religious or philosophical beliefs or trade union membership and data concerning health or sex life”.
Sean Gabb, director of the Libertarian Alliance, warned that it threatened our right to free speech.
“It doesn’t surprise me that Europol has been handed these rather frightening powers,” he said. “We now live in a pan-European state so it was to be expected that it would have a federal police force with powers over us.
“There is a real danger that opposition to EU policies could make an individual liable to arrest.
“For example, if Brussels adopts a hard-line stance on climate change, it’s conceivable that someone who broadcasts their scepticism of climate change may be accused of committing an environmental crime because they have undermined the EU’s efforts to save mankind.”
Timothy Kirkhope, Conservative leader in the European Parliament, said: “Europol’s new mandate has significantly expanded its powers.
“There is a real chance that the vague mandate will enable it to gradually extend its areas of intervention even further.”
The Home Office insisted the changes were in Britain’s interests.
A spokesman said: “Europol is now in a much stronger position to better support our fight against serious and organised crime and terrorism.”
Now, lets have a look at this in detail to highlight every trick in a hack journo's trade:Europol can access personal information on anyone – including their political opinions and sexual preferences – if it suspects, rightly or wrongly, that they may be involved in any “preparatory act” which could lead to criminal activity.
The vagueness of the Hague-based force’s remit sparked furious protests yesterday with critics warning that the EU snoopers threaten our right to free speech.
It is understood the agency will concentrate on anyone thought “xenophobic” or likely to commit a crime involving the environment, computers or motor vehicles.
This could include covert monitoring of people who deny the existence of climate change or speak out on controversial issues.
Paul Nuttall, chairman of the UK Independence Party, said: “I am horrified. We thought Gordon Brown’s Big Brother state was bad enough but at least we are going to kick him out in May. These guys we cannot sack until we leave the EU.”
James Welch, legal director of campaign group Liberty, said: “We have huge concerns that Europol appears to have been given powers to hold very sensitive information and to investigate matters that aren’t even crimes in this country. Any extension of police powers at any level needs to be properly debated and scrutinised.”
Until January 1, Europol was a police office funded by various states to help tackle international organised crime. But it has been reborn as the official criminal intelligence-gathering arm of the EU and Brussels has vastly increased its powers.
It can now target more than simply organised crime and the burden of proof required to begin monitoring an individual has been downgraded.
Europol has also been absorbed into the EU superstructure, so it will be centrally funded, sweeping away a key check on its independence.
Campaigners last night expressed concern over the vague list of “serious crimes” which the agency can help investigate, which include racism and xenophobia, environmental crime and corruption. Among personal details that can be gathered and stored are “behavioural data” including “lifestyle and routine; movements; places frequented”, tax position and profiles of DNA and voice.
Where relevant, Europol will also be able to keep data on a person’s “political opinions, religious or philosophical beliefs or trade union membership and data concerning health or sex life”.
Sean Gabb, director of the Libertarian Alliance, warned that it threatened our right to free speech.
“It doesn’t surprise me that Europol has been handed these rather frightening powers,” he said. “We now live in a pan-European state so it was to be expected that it would have a federal police force with powers over us.
“There is a real danger that opposition to EU policies could make an individual liable to arrest.
“For example, if Brussels adopts a hard-line stance on climate change, it’s conceivable that someone who broadcasts their scepticism of climate change may be accused of committing an environmental crime because they have undermined the EU’s efforts to save mankind.”
Timothy Kirkhope, Conservative leader in the European Parliament, said: “Europol’s new mandate has significantly expanded its powers.
“There is a real chance that the vague mandate will enable it to gradually extend its areas of intervention even further.”
The Home Office insisted the changes were in Britain’s interests.
A spokesman said: “Europol is now in a much stronger position to better support our fight against serious and organised crime and terrorism.”
Headline = "NEW EU GESTAPO SPIES ON BRITONS" Just a slightly emotive term there - "gestapo spies". Should get the blue rinsed hair standing up on the back of the neck, that one.
Second para - "Europol can access personal information on anyone – including their political opinions and sexual preferences – if it suspects, rightly or wrongly, that they may be involved in any “preparatory act” which could lead to criminal activity."
And what exactly do you think that national intelligence agencies get up to now, then?
Down a bit farther - "It is understood the agency will concentrate on anyone thought “xenophobic”
Well that's the entire French nation buggered then
Now here comes the good bit:-
or likely to commit a crime involving the environment, computers or motor vehicles"
and
"This could include covert monitoring of people who deny the existence of climate change or speak out on controversial issues"
In these couple of sentences, the hack has thrown the word "environment" into the first sentence, then "covert monitoring" (which is what intelligence agencies and indeed Plod, do all the time, but let's not worry about that), and "deny the existence of climate change" into the second. Then the whole section is turned into a non-story by the use of the word "could."
All sorts of things "could" happen, whether they will or not is another matter. The hack knows this, as do some of his readership, but most readers will simply read this as "If I do not agree with MMGW, then Big Brother will come to get me."
Yes, it "could" happen. Like you "could" find a pork butcher's shop in Tel Aviv.
Finally, lets look at the "quotes" that the hack bungs in to support the story:
Sean Gabb said:
“There is a real danger that opposition to EU policies could make an individual liable to arrest.
“For example, if Brussels adopts a hard-line stance on climate change, it’s conceivable that someone who broadcasts their scepticism of climate change may be accused of committing an environmental crime because they have undermined the EU’s efforts to save mankind.”
Note the uses of the words "could," "may", "conceivable" and "if"? What is actually going on here is building speculation on speculation until you end up with a nightmare scenario.“For example, if Brussels adopts a hard-line stance on climate change, it’s conceivable that someone who broadcasts their scepticism of climate change may be accused of committing an environmental crime because they have undermined the EU’s efforts to save mankind.”
Also don't forget that he's quoted as being the Director of the Libertarian Alliance. What would you expect him to say
Then
Timothy Kirkhope Conservative leader in the European Parliament said:
“There is a real chance that the vague mandate will enable it to gradually extend its areas of intervention even further.”
This quote comes from the leader of a party that has joined the loony right group in Europe, so once again you wouldn't expect him to say much else. But once again, note the use of the term "real chance"? There is a "real chance" of a military coup in this country next Tuesday, but are you expecting one? I expect that some people are
No, this is simply an anti-EU wind up story by a hack who needs to sell it to pay his mortgage this month the same as the rest of us. A story like this in the Express will pander to the prejudices of the majority of its readers and will possibly sell a few more papers. It will also wind up a few anti-Europeans around here
A serious bit of journalism it aint.
Edited by rs1952 on Saturday 27th March 12:11
TVR Moneypit said:
Don't forget comrades. Our socialist masters know best.
Wife finds it odd how after 70 years China is gradually begining to embrace democracy, whilst we, after fighting two world wars andthe cold war, are slipping headfirst towards totalitarium communism.
I think she has a point. The sad thing is that 95% of the population really couldn't give a toss
No because they find it amusing to label people as tinfoil hat wearing paranoid psychos. Wife finds it odd how after 70 years China is gradually begining to embrace democracy, whilst we, after fighting two world wars andthe cold war, are slipping headfirst towards totalitarium communism.
I think she has a point. The sad thing is that 95% of the population really couldn't give a toss
Edited by TVR Moneypit on Saturday 27th March 13:10
rs1952 said:
Perhaps you missed the link - well WEHGuy didn't because he posted it For anybody who is lacking the ability to click a link on a webpage, here is the story. I nearly typed "article" but then thought "stoy" was much better.
Whilst your comments re: the emotive language and general "tabloidy-ness" are correct as far as they go, the rest of your argument appears to consist of little more than ridicule (nice use of "looney right" BTW, very on-message) and "well he would say that, wouldn't he". For anybody who is lacking the ability to click a link on a webpage, here is the story. I nearly typed "article" but then thought "stoy" was much better.Sadly, this is what passes for debate these days. Those with opposing views dismissed as nutters, without discussion of the actual issues.
Any assumption of more power, by anyone, needs to be properly scrutinised - particularly if they are not accountable to the people they hold power over. Because (some of) those in power will always misuse it. Always.
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