Are we in a Democracy?
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"Using a child to catch a grandmother selling goldfish is a step towards Stalinism"
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100032252...
It does seem as though the UK is on the brink....
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/edwest/100032252...
It does seem as though the UK is on the brink....
esselte said:
Einion Yrth said:
You get to put a cross in a box once every five years or so. Good innit?
Even that's not really democracy as it's only a few people in marginal constituencies that decide it..I view it a bit like the hypocracy of the Liberal Democrats, who are neither advocating liberalism or democracy!
Liberalism can either be individual liberalism or collective liberalism. Collective liberalism is the same as socialism for all intents and purposes.
Democracy. Well, that's something about getting a government who act in the interests of as much of population as much as possible!
Sounds great, doesn't it! Instead, we have a load of people who know best doing what they think is best for us. That's our version of democracy.
Rather than acting in the interest of our population, they have a warped sense of what a community is. They then positively discriminate their policies to serve this mirage.
That's how I see it.
We have a socialist government dictating know-best to a eutopian community, whilst also turning a blind eye to human nature and economics.
The problem is that it's getting worse, they are getting bigger and acting in a way which is contrary to democracy. Not just ignoring it, but going against it.
There is a pinch point down this road somewhere and it isn't nice. It probably involves people acting outside the law and then as a reaction, having tougher police/penalties/fines/etc.
It's a totalitarian dictatorship at total odds with the real community.
It is getting increasingly difficult to pretend they aren't really there, which is the British way.
Liberalism can either be individual liberalism or collective liberalism. Collective liberalism is the same as socialism for all intents and purposes.
Democracy. Well, that's something about getting a government who act in the interests of as much of population as much as possible!
Sounds great, doesn't it! Instead, we have a load of people who know best doing what they think is best for us. That's our version of democracy.
Rather than acting in the interest of our population, they have a warped sense of what a community is. They then positively discriminate their policies to serve this mirage.
That's how I see it.
We have a socialist government dictating know-best to a eutopian community, whilst also turning a blind eye to human nature and economics.
The problem is that it's getting worse, they are getting bigger and acting in a way which is contrary to democracy. Not just ignoring it, but going against it.
There is a pinch point down this road somewhere and it isn't nice. It probably involves people acting outside the law and then as a reaction, having tougher police/penalties/fines/etc.
It's a totalitarian dictatorship at total odds with the real community.
It is getting increasingly difficult to pretend they aren't really there, which is the British way.
MX7 said:
Sheets Tabuer said:
We're not a democracy, most of our laws are instigated by lobby groups
I doubt that that's true.And many of those lobby groups are funded by the government to lobby it for the policies it wants to make anyway.
We are a long way from anything resembling a democracy.
Einion Yrth said:
esselte said:
Einion Yrth said:
You get to put a cross in a box once every five years or so. Good innit?
Even that's not really democracy as it's only a few people in marginal constituencies that decide it..esselte said:
Einion Yrth said:
esselte said:
Einion Yrth said:
You get to put a cross in a box once every five years or so. Good innit?
Even that's not really democracy as it's only a few people in marginal constituencies that decide it..ln1234 said:
I can't recall the last major decision this country has undertaken that has allowed us to have a democratic vote on it. Was thinking about it this morning whilst listening to LBC.
So what still makes this country a democracy?
There are different types of democracy, we are in a representative democracy system. If you want a say on issues you need a direct democracy.So what still makes this country a democracy?
Clearly those in power have no interest in changing the system, and as they say change will only come through the barrel of a gun.
Real democracy doesn't work. Most people are uneducated morons who don't understand the implications of the ideas they hold.
Any thread on PH titled "This is what I'd do if I became PM" is proof of this.
That's why it's best to have a set amount of well educated people making our decisions under the guise of a democracy.
Unfortunately at the moment we have set amount of morons who don't understand the implications of the ideas they hold making the decisions under the guise of democracy.
Worst of both worlds.
Any thread on PH titled "This is what I'd do if I became PM" is proof of this.
That's why it's best to have a set amount of well educated people making our decisions under the guise of a democracy.
Unfortunately at the moment we have set amount of morons who don't understand the implications of the ideas they hold making the decisions under the guise of democracy.
Worst of both worlds.
Frankeh said:
Real democracy doesn't work. Most people are uneducated morons who don't understand the implications of the ideas they hold.
At the moment people don't feel they are responsible for the decisions their 'representatives make', change the system and people will at least understand where the responsibility for policy comes from.Frankeh said:
Real democracy doesn't work. Most people are uneducated morons who don't understand the implications of the ideas they hold.
Any thread on PH titled "This is what I'd do if I became PM" is proof of this.
That's why it's best to have a set amount of well educated people making our decisions under the guise of a democracy.
Unfortunately at the moment we have set amount of morons who don't understand the implications of the ideas they hold making the decisions under the guise of democracy.
Worst of both worlds.
Perfectly accurate. I wouldn't trust 95% of people I know to decide on 'the big issues'. Any thread on PH titled "This is what I'd do if I became PM" is proof of this.
That's why it's best to have a set amount of well educated people making our decisions under the guise of a democracy.
Unfortunately at the moment we have set amount of morons who don't understand the implications of the ideas they hold making the decisions under the guise of democracy.
Worst of both worlds.
Frankeh said:
Real democracy doesn't work. Most people are uneducated morons who don't understand the implications of the ideas they hold.
Any thread on PH titled "This is what I'd do if I became PM" is proof of this.
Is that so? I'd say a lot of the right wing libertarian waste negation that is spouted on here is not only feasible, but totally sensible. Any thread on PH titled "This is what I'd do if I became PM" is proof of this.
Does it clash with your ideology?
tangent police said:
Frankeh said:
Real democracy doesn't work. Most people are uneducated morons who don't understand the implications of the ideas they hold.
Any thread on PH titled "This is what I'd do if I became PM" is proof of this.
Is that so? I'd say a lot of the right wing libertarian waste negation that is spouted on here is not only feasible, but totally sensible. Any thread on PH titled "This is what I'd do if I became PM" is proof of this.
Does it clash with your ideology?
The UK likes to put itself on a moral high horse (and in many cases rightly so) but posters on here want to have some kind of barbaric justice system with mob-rule.
CrashTD said:
Some people on here want to hang, draw and quarter people. Failing that they want to put have a massive rocket and fire people into space.
The UK likes to put itself on a moral high horse (and in many cases rightly so) but posters on here want to have some kind of barbaric justice system with mob-rule.
I suppose some sort of justice system would suffice...The UK likes to put itself on a moral high horse (and in many cases rightly so) but posters on here want to have some kind of barbaric justice system with mob-rule.
CrashTD said:
Frankeh said:
Real democracy doesn't work. Most people are uneducated morons who don't understand the implications of the ideas they hold.
Some people on here want to hang, draw and quarter people. Failing that they want to put have a massive rocket and fire people into space.The UK likes to put itself on a moral high horse (and in many cases rightly so) but posters on here want to have some kind of barbaric justice system with mob-rule.
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