Shows you how scewed the voting was
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http://generalelection2010.timesonline.co.uk/#/Ele...
So, most of the country is in Blue but there is a huge difference in territory.
So, most of the country is in Blue but there is a huge difference in territory.
It really is a mess.
A quick look at London, the three Lib Dem constituencies in West London have about 50,000 voters each.
The three Tory areas around Westminster have just over 30,000 voters each.
So how much is your vote worth... could be an almost 2:1 bias depending on constituency.
A quick look at London, the three Lib Dem constituencies in West London have about 50,000 voters each.
The three Tory areas around Westminster have just over 30,000 voters each.
So how much is your vote worth... could be an almost 2:1 bias depending on constituency.
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In my area the Tory candidate will win. No matter how I vote. My vote will count for nothing. The same must apply to many other PHs up and down the country. Unless if you live i a 'safe seat constituency your vote is worthless. We need a reform of our electoral system. Some sort of proportional representation should replace the old fashion constituency before total apathy takes over.
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In my area the Tory candidate will win. No matter how I vote. My vote will count for nothing. The same must apply to many other PHs up and down the country. Unless if you live i a 'safe seat constituency your vote is worthless. We need a reform of our electoral system. Some sort of proportional representation should replace the old fashion constituency before total apathy takes over.
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Elroy Blue said:
Every little town in the North West of England has its own MP. Coincidentally, it's a Labour heartland!
Some parts of the Northwest are very blue. Some areas are moved each time a new party (The other side) takes power.It is all b
ks to stay on board the gravy train. imo.Jasandjules said:
I do wonder if proportional representation is a fairer system, especially when the parties in power "adjust" the boundaries so that they stay in power longer under the first past the post system...
It's O.K. in theory, but the problem is that you don't get to decide who your MP will be.At the moment it's all managed by voting boundaries. With PR, it would be managed by someone unelected, deciding who your MP should be. With PR, it could easily be the case that an area that voted blue, in the majority, actually got yellow or red.
Edited by dilbert on Monday 5th April 14:45
In fairness a lot of the blue areas are large in area but small in people. Where I lived in North Yorks the geographical area was massive but there were fewer voters than in a small town in the south east. Doesn't change the fact that more voters in England voted Tory than labour last time and we still got a labour government with a huge majority..
OK,
Ban all MP's from having any contact with political pressure groups such as unions or parties. Elect someone who represents your beliefs best.
All 600 odd MP's vote on who gets to be PM.
All 600 odd MP's vote on who gets to be a minister.
Hold an election every 4 years on the same date.
Next day have a ministerial election.
Ban all MP's from having any contact with political pressure groups such as unions or parties. Elect someone who represents your beliefs best.
All 600 odd MP's vote on who gets to be PM.
All 600 odd MP's vote on who gets to be a minister.
Hold an election every 4 years on the same date.
Next day have a ministerial election.
Size Nine Elm said:
It really is a mess.
A quick look at London, the three Lib Dem constituencies in West London have about 50,000 voters each.
The three Tory areas around Westminster have just over 30,000 voters each.
So how much is your vote worth... could be an almost 2:1 bias depending on constituency.
And then if you move out to the suburbs (where i am) a sizeable chunk of the electorate vote Tory (over 25% in my borough) but as every town is surrounded by chavs (council estates), students and greenies - there isn't a single Tory MP until you move out into Surrey (e.g. Epsom, Woking) - i'll still vote but i know it won't make a jot of difference as a Lib Dem will get in.A quick look at London, the three Lib Dem constituencies in West London have about 50,000 voters each.
The three Tory areas around Westminster have just over 30,000 voters each.
So how much is your vote worth... could be an almost 2:1 bias depending on constituency.
easy one, scotland, wales and northern ireland all want their own governments so let them have them completly and i mean own tax systems the lot, let England look after itself and the same for them, split the deficit and no more propping up their tinpot economy's with ours.
Then lets see how the Labour party fair in England.
Then lets see how the Labour party fair in England.
pete a said:
easy one, scotland, wales and northern ireland all want their own governments so let them have them completly and i mean own tax systems the lot, let England look after itself and the same for them, split the deficit and no more propping up their tinpot economy's with ours.
Then lets see how the Labour party fair in England.
2005 results for england only. note the votes vs. seats !!!!Then lets see how the Labour party fair in England.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/vote2005/html/eng...
Edited by fbrs on Monday 5th April 16:03
fbrs said:
pete a said:
easy one, scotland, wales and northern ireland all want their own governments so let them have them completly and i mean own tax systems the lot, let England look after itself and the same for them, split the deficit and no more propping up their tinpot economy's with ours.
Then lets see how the Labour party fair in England.
2005 results for england only. note the votes vs. seats !!!!Then lets see how the Labour party fair in England.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/vote2005/html/eng...
Edited by fbrs on Monday 5th April 16:03
That is criminal.
pete a said:
easy one, scotland, wales and northern ireland all want their own governments so let them have them completly and i mean own tax systems the lot, let England look after itself and the same for them, split the deficit and no more propping up their tinpot economy's with ours.
Then lets see how the Labour party fair in England.
+1Then lets see how the Labour party fair in England.
I read on a Gov website that each area that has an MP has approx 68,000 people (not sure if it was 68k VOTERS or just 68k PEOPLE)
I spose you are suggesting that the way they arrange the boundaries means
1) some areas are significantly smaller/larger than others
2) the rearrange the boundaries to put similar voters together?
I spose you are suggesting that the way they arrange the boundaries means
1) some areas are significantly smaller/larger than others
2) the rearrange the boundaries to put similar voters together?
fido said:
Size Nine Elm said:
It really is a mess.
A quick look at London, the three Lib Dem constituencies in West London have about 50,000 voters each.
The three Tory areas around Westminster have just over 30,000 voters each.
So how much is your vote worth... could be an almost 2:1 bias depending on constituency.
And then if you move out to the suburbs (where i am) a sizeable chunk of the electorate vote Tory (over 25% in my borough) but as every town is surrounded by chavs (council estates), students and greenies - there isn't a single Tory MP until you move out into Surrey (e.g. Epsom, Woking) - i'll still vote but i know it won't make a jot of difference as a Lib Dem will get in.A quick look at London, the three Lib Dem constituencies in West London have about 50,000 voters each.
The three Tory areas around Westminster have just over 30,000 voters each.
So how much is your vote worth... could be an almost 2:1 bias depending on constituency.
should they split the tory area up from the rest so an extra tory gets in?
Asterix said:
fbrs said:
pete a said:
easy one, scotland, wales and northern ireland all want their own governments so let them have them completly and i mean own tax systems the lot, let England look after itself and the same for them, split the deficit and no more propping up their tinpot economy's with ours.
Then lets see how the Labour party fair in England.
2005 results for england only. note the votes vs. seats !!!!Then lets see how the Labour party fair in England.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/vote2005/html/eng...
That is criminal.
FPTP is a ridiculous system that assumes that the MPs actually care about their constituents, when most 'modern politicians' are parachuted into their constituency. It really should be replaced by some form of PR.
Mojooo said:
fido said:
Size Nine Elm said:
It really is a mess.
A quick look at London, the three Lib Dem constituencies in West London have about 50,000 voters each.
The three Tory areas around Westminster have just over 30,000 voters each.
So how much is your vote worth... could be an almost 2:1 bias depending on constituency.
And then if you move out to the suburbs (where i am) a sizeable chunk of the electorate vote Tory (over 25% in my borough) but as every town is surrounded by chavs (council estates), students and greenies - there isn't a single Tory MP until you move out into Surrey (e.g. Epsom, Woking) - i'll still vote but i know it won't make a jot of difference as a Lib Dem will get in.A quick look at London, the three Lib Dem constituencies in West London have about 50,000 voters each.
The three Tory areas around Westminster have just over 30,000 voters each.
So how much is your vote worth... could be an almost 2:1 bias depending on constituency.
should they split the tory area up from the rest so an extra tory gets in?
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