The not so secret vote
Discussion
Westy Pre-Lit said:
Don't think they will be knocking on my door when out canvassing then. Last time I went to place my X I wrote ...All a bunch of thieving 
s ....across the slip.
That counts though. A spoiled vote is a vote. s ....across the slip.The info isn't actually collected/collated. It would solve the unemployment issue if it was though, because it would take a couple of million people to do it in any meaningful time scale.
Hedders said:
I thought we had invented machines that could 'read' these kind of documents decades ago!
I am sure you are right though Shuvi, the government would never want to create a database of information about us
Ha ha! Though there's a good chance they'd go and lose it then, in any case.I am sure you are right though Shuvi, the government would never want to create a database of information about us
My Uncle is running for the Green Party 
He was saying that the candidates get access to the data which tells them who voted and who didn't. This is taken from the list that is ticked off when you hand in your slip at the polling station.
He reckons that they have no access to "who voted for who" type data, just whether they turned up or not.
That doesn't mean to say that no-one is using the data, just that the incoming candidates have no access to it.
Surely the answer is to tear the number out of the corner of the voting slip, or would that spoil the vote?
He was saying that the candidates get access to the data which tells them who voted and who didn't. This is taken from the list that is ticked off when you hand in your slip at the polling station.
He reckons that they have no access to "who voted for who" type data, just whether they turned up or not.
That doesn't mean to say that no-one is using the data, just that the incoming candidates have no access to it.
Surely the answer is to tear the number out of the corner of the voting slip, or would that spoil the vote?
Mazda Baiter said:
Surely the answer is to tear the number out of the corner of the voting slip, or would that spoil the vote?
If the election officers can distinguish a clear intention from the voting slip, then it is their obligation to record that intention. So yes, you can tear a corner off, and if the X is still obvious, the vote counts.Mazda Baiter said:
My Uncle is running for the Green Party
He was saying that the candidates get access to the data which tells them who voted and who didn't. This is taken from the list that is ticked off when you hand in your slip at the polling station.
He reckons that they have no access to "who voted for who" type data, just whether they turned up or not.
That doesn't mean to say that no-one is using the data, just that the incoming candidates have no access to it.
Surely the answer is to tear the number out of the corner of the voting slip, or would that spoil the vote?
The track-back made possible by the counterfoil numbers and voters' numbers is only there to ensure there has been no fraud in the event an election court has to be convened (ie if an aggrieved candidate alleges people have committed the offence of personation).He was saying that the candidates get access to the data which tells them who voted and who didn't. This is taken from the list that is ticked off when you hand in your slip at the polling station.
He reckons that they have no access to "who voted for who" type data, just whether they turned up or not.
That doesn't mean to say that no-one is using the data, just that the incoming candidates have no access to it.
Surely the answer is to tear the number out of the corner of the voting slip, or would that spoil the vote?
Candidates and their agents are not given official information whilst the election is in progress about who has tendered their vote but tellers who work for candidates are able, and do, stand outside polling stations in order to ask people who they are and mark them off their own lists. Voters are not obliged to confirm this information to tellers and tellers are not employed by the returning officer. Tellers should not be allowed into polling stations (ie past the door of the room where the ballot box is) unless voting themselves, but candidates can come in to check proceedings (again, detailed information is not given although most will ask what the general turnout has been and will be told a very general answer)
Lack of serial number and the official mark applied by the presiding officer when the voting paper is issued will result in the vote being excluded at the count. Spoiled papers are just that; apart from the total being counted for purposes of verifying what's in the box is what has actually been issued (the single most important check), no-one takes any further notice of anything scrawled if it's not a clear vote.
Edited by Pupp on Friday 9th April 12:21
Pupp said:
Candidates and their agents are not given official information about who has tendered their vote but tellers who work for candidates are able, and do, stand outside polling stations in order to ask people who they are and mark them off their own lists.
Yep, had this approach a couple of times when going to vote, the Lib Dems seem to be very hot on it for some reason. Take a note of people's numbers, check them on the electoral roll, and they have a mailing list of people who can be bothered to vote.Pupp said:
The track-back made possible by the counterfoil numbers and voters' numbers is only there to ensure there has been no fraud in the event an election court has to be convened (ie if an aggrieved candidate alleges people have committed the offence of personation)
Only if they don't lose the registers. *cough*Glenrothes*cough*Labour*cough.ninja-lewis said:
Pupp said:
The track-back made possible by the counterfoil numbers and voters' numbers is only there to ensure there has been no fraud in the event an election court has to be convened (ie if an aggrieved candidate alleges people have committed the offence of personation)
Only if they don't lose the registers. *cough*Glenrothes*cough*Labour*cough.Gaspode said:
anonymous said:
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I don't know bout the BNP for certain, but I would expect so. For many years, up until 1979 at least, the identities of all people who voted for the communist party were collected by M5.anonymous said:
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Not quite correct. You need to be on the electoral roll to vote and that will result in a number being allocated to you. The card that is sent with this number on is just a reminder and there is no requirement to produce it or to cite the number. Just telling the presiding officer your name and address will result in a ballot paper being issued provided you are on the roll for the polling station you attend (assuming you don't have a postal vote and haven't appointed a proxy who has beat you to it).F i F said:
Gaspode said:
anonymous said:
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I don't know bout the BNP for certain, but I would expect so. For many years, up until 1979 at least, the identities of all people who voted for the communist party were collected by M5.
My mistake, sorry! But then again, so few votes were actually going to the Communist Party of Great Britain in those days, I suspect they could have stuffed them in the glovebox of an M5 and got them back to Box 500 in double-quick time.
Gaspode said:
F i F said:
Gaspode said:
anonymous said:
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I don't know bout the BNP for certain, but I would expect so. For many years, up until 1979 at least, the identities of all people who voted for the communist party were collected by M5.My mistake, sorry! But then again, so few votes were actually going to the Communist Party of Great Britain in those days, I suspect they could have stuffed them in the glovebox of an M5 and got them back to Box 500 in double-quick time.
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