Bloke Tops Himself After Being Reported for a "Racist" Joke
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On the face of it this seems fodder for the anti pc brigade but anyone who takes his way out is surely on a knife edge?
On the face of it this seems fodder for the anti pc brigade but anyone who takes his way out is surely on a knife edge?
It's a sad case. You could argue that the chap may have been on the brink anyway. However, consider he had been in his job many years, dismissal on these grounds would make him virtually unemployable. Couple that with the loss of self esteem that anybody with a lifelong work ethic would feel and you can soon imagine the pressure he would be feeling.
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This is such a sad story.
People don't understand engineers.
Society has come to discriminate between the social and the anti-social.
For an engineer, it is a right of passage to be anti-social, whilst remaining bound by concern and care for others.
They used to be called "characters". These days, they're frowned upon for not behaving like a battery hen in a wire box.
RIP.
People don't understand engineers.
Society has come to discriminate between the social and the anti-social.
For an engineer, it is a right of passage to be anti-social, whilst remaining bound by concern and care for others.
They used to be called "characters". These days, they're frowned upon for not behaving like a battery hen in a wire box.
RIP.
st_files said:
The "victim" of the joke didnt have a problem with it, presumably the person who reported it was unaware of the context.....its a sad state of affairs IMO.
That's the part that makes it so sad for me. Not only has the wife and the family got to deal with the grief, the 'victim' now has a life long pain to deal with due to being a close friend, and his so say 'colour' ending up being the cause of the suicide.I hope the nannying jobsworths realise just what they've done, only I somehow doubt they will.
In some ways I feel for the directors of the company - quite often it's wannabe managers with no real world experience trying to make an impression who completely screw things up in their insistance to try and climb the ladder; I'm sure that the MD who knew the guy would have quietly take him to one side to talk about it, but no, it's a PC mad world out there.
As it is, now the whole company has a reputation in ruins along with devastated families.
All because someone thought it might be out of order.
Yet another f**king do-gooder who stuck their nose in where it wasn't needed or wanted and it ended up like this. Now they'll have to live with this for the rest of their days, knowing that a guy ended up topping himself because they basically reported him to his boss for having a laugh with a mate!
It truly is PC gone mad!
It truly is PC gone mad!
This is what gets up my nose:
It is understood that the man was a close friend of Mr Amor and was not offended. However, it was overheard by someone else who lodged a formal complaint. who the hell reports something like that if it's nothing to do with them?
Also, why the f
k was he suspended? Dreadful HR procedure, imho.
It is understood that the man was a close friend of Mr Amor and was not offended. However, it was overheard by someone else who lodged a formal complaint. who the hell reports something like that if it's nothing to do with them?
Also, why the f
k was he suspended? Dreadful HR procedure, imho.Edited by Pothole on Monday 12th April 10:02
At nursery school if someone called someone else a name, the teacher would take them aside and ask what happened and if necessary one apologise to the other.
There is such a lack of common sense in the workplace, surely the guy should have been asked if he was offended, rather than branding the accused racist and suspending him. Sad thing to happen, still wont stop bloody do-gooders from doing the same though.
There is such a lack of common sense in the workplace, surely the guy should have been asked if he was offended, rather than branding the accused racist and suspending him. Sad thing to happen, still wont stop bloody do-gooders from doing the same though.
A bit excessive to shoot your self.
I would have asked the friend who I was bantering with, who seems like a good chap, to have put them straight.
I think HR are to blame here. Racism finger pointing has gone too far now and is actually going to make relationships between people of different races even more difficult in the work place if this kind of thing becomes common place!
Gah, another reason to not vote for Labour and their insistence on the jobsworth ultra-nimby whinger whistle blower culture!
Dave
I would have asked the friend who I was bantering with, who seems like a good chap, to have put them straight.
I think HR are to blame here. Racism finger pointing has gone too far now and is actually going to make relationships between people of different races even more difficult in the work place if this kind of thing becomes common place!
Gah, another reason to not vote for Labour and their insistence on the jobsworth ultra-nimby whinger whistle blower culture!
Dave
st_files said:
Once an official complaint is made HR's hands are tied - if they just dismiss it or don’t go by the book they leave the firm open to all sorts of legal problems...
This. It is not a problem of the management's making but on of people who have created a culture in which saying something to a mate which the friend would find no malice or offence in can be taken in the same light as "f off home you Fing C..N!"It is what happens when a law is badly drafted to try to cover 1 in 10,000 situations where it is required for a 3rd party to get involved. It seems it is better to catch the one and criminalise the other 9,999...
Whatever happened to the Bentamite principal of it is better that one hundred guilty men go free than one innocent be wrongly convicted?
st_files said:
Once an official complaint is made HR's hands are tied - if they just dismiss it or dont go by the book they leave the firm open to all sorts of legal problems...
but they can make time to deal with it there and then, surely? suspension should never come into it. Call the accused and the black mate into a room, with representation if necessary,
"we have had a report that you said this; did you?"
"yes"
"were you offended by him saying it?"
"no"
"ok, you can go, but my advice is to avoid this sort of joke in the future"
Then tell the objector that it's been dealt with.
Pothole said:
st_files said:
Once an official complaint is made HR's hands are tied - if they just dismiss it or dont go by the book they leave the firm open to all sorts of legal problems...
but they can make time to deal with it there and then, surely? suspension should never come into it. Call the accused and the black mate into a room, with representation if necessary,
"we have had a report that you said this; did you?"
"yes"
"were you offended by him saying it?"
"no"
"ok, you can go, but my advice is to avoid this sort of joke in the future"
Then tell the objector that it's been dealt with.
This is what we're missing in the UK at the moment:
Common Sense.
Pothole said:
st_files said:
Once an official complaint is made HR's hands are tied - if they just dismiss it or dont go by the book they leave the firm open to all sorts of legal problems...
but they can make time to deal with it there and then, surely? suspension should never come into it. Call the accused and the black mate into a room, with representation if necessary,
"we have had a report that you said this; did you?"
"yes"
"were you offended by him saying it?"
"no"
"ok, you can go, but my advice is to avoid this sort of joke in the future"
Then tell the objector that it's been dealt with.
s.m.h. said:
At nursery school if someone called someone else a name, the teacher would take them aside and ask what happened and if necessary one apologise to the other.
There is such a lack of common sense in the workplace, surely the guy should have been asked if he was offended, rather than branding the accused racist and suspending him. Sad thing to happen, still wont stop bloody do-gooders from doing the same though.
Is your experience recent?There is such a lack of common sense in the workplace, surely the guy should have been asked if he was offended, rather than branding the accused racist and suspending him. Sad thing to happen, still wont stop bloody do-gooders from doing the same though.
This doesn't happen any more. Racist incidents have to be logged and a formal procedure kicks in.
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