The end of freedom of speech

[pugwash4x4]

very uncomfortable with this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religio...

no matter how bigoted someone is, they should be able to express themselves. i wholeheartedly disagree with what he thinks (my bestman when i get married in 2 months is gay), but strongly feel he should be able to tell people his views if he wants to.

[AndrewW-G]

Welcome to Air Strip One, any view point not authorised by the state will be outlawed, we've seen 13 years of government creeping legislation and propaganda to this effect, with school children brainwashed in the same way as the Hitler Youth were in the 1930's

As we've seen with the USSR ultimately the only response will ultimately be civil unrest.

As Martin Niemöller famously put it

"They came for the Jews and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew"

Edited by AndrewW-G on Monday 3rd May 10:25

[Bill]

pugwash4x4 said:

very uncomfortable with this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religio...

no matter how bigoted someone is, they should be able to express themselves. i wholeheartedly disagree with what he thinks (my bestman when i get married in 2 months is gay), but strongly feel he should be able to tell people his views if he wants to.

Agree wholeheartedly.

OTOH anything that stops people preaching in shopping centres is a good thing IMO

[MX7]

I can't see that he will be prosecuted for this. If he is, they will in effect be making a belief of Christianity illegal.

It's more to do with misinterpretation of the law than anything else. After this, and the Philip Lardner case, there needs to be some guidelines set.

[SmoothRB]

Jobsworth police community support office with a chip on his shoulder.

The Gov tried and failed to get laws through to stop criticism of gays right? The public order act was abused by this PCSO in this case.

[Jasandjules]

The scum in power have been slowly but surely eroding freedomg of thought and speech for years now. Why the public allow this I know not.

[NismoGT]

Jasandjules said:

The scum in power have been slowly but surely eroding freedomg of thought and speech for years now. Why the public allow this I know not.

Too busy discussing who will win the next celebrity Big Brother or X-factor.

[Bill]

NismoGT said:

Jasandjules said:

The scum in power have been slowly but surely eroding freedomg of thought and speech for years now. Why the public allow this I know not.

Too busy discussing who will win the next celebrity Big Brother or X-factor.

I doubt this will even get to the CPS though, it's just a chippy plastic plod abusing his powers.

[don4l]

MX7 said:

I can't see that he will be prosecuted for this. If he is, they will in effect be making a belief of Christianity illegal.

It's more to do with misinterpretation of the law than anything else. After this, and the Philip Lardner case, there needs to be some guidelines set.

Article said:

Mr McAlpine pleaded not guilty at a preliminary hearing on Friday at Wokingham magistrates court and is now awaiting a trial date.

Doesn't that mean that he has already been prosecuted?

Don
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[mrmr96]

Somehow I doubt that an Islamic preacher saying the same thing would be treated the same way.

[chris watton]

NismoGT said:

Jasandjules said:

The scum in power have been slowly but surely eroding freedomg of thought and speech for years now. Why the public allow this I know not.

Too busy discussing who will win the next celebrity Big Brother or X-factor.

It’s worse than that, I fear; the government has played us all like a fiddle, preying on and fuelling our petty prejudices so that we submit to each ban with applause, instead of derision. You only have to look at the smoking threads to see this – it seems some who agree with the ban would rather slit your throat than have you smoking anywhere near them – not realising, of course, that there are other ‘unhinged’ sections of society that feel exactly the same way about the car they drive, or any other lifestyle choice they make, that they hate.
The UK now seems so divisive and full of hate and intolerance – and petty prejudice is rife, helped along the way by this cancerous government and their orcs, that it would take nothing less than a miracle to change attitudes back to something a little more tolerable.

[MX7]

don4l said:

MX7 said:

I can't see that he will be prosecuted for this. If he is, they will in effect be making a belief of Christianity illegal.

It's more to do with misinterpretation of the law than anything else. After this, and the Philip Lardner case, there needs to be some guidelines set.

Article said:

Mr McAlpine pleaded not guilty at a preliminary hearing on Friday at Wokingham magistrates court and is now awaiting a trial date.

Doesn't that mean that he has already been prosecuted?

Don
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Yes, sorry, I should have said convicted.

[theironduke]

AndrewW-G said:

Welcome to Air Strip One, any view point not authorised by the state will be outlawed, we've seen 13 years of government creeping legislation and propaganda to this effect, with school children brainwashed in the same way as the Hitler Youth were in the 1930's

As we've seen with the USSR ultimately the only response will ultimately be civil unrest.

As Martin Niemöller famously put it

"They came for the Jews and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew"

Edited by AndrewW-G on Monday 3rd May 10:25

"Then they came for me and by that time no one was left to speak up"

[Funk]

He'd have been ok if he was preaching 'death to the infidels'.

[Jasandjules]

chris watton said:

NismoGT said:

Jasandjules said:

The scum in power have been slowly but surely eroding freedomg of thought and speech for years now. Why the public allow this I know not.

Too busy discussing who will win the next celebrity Big Brother or X-factor.

It’s worse than that, I fear; the government has played us all like a fiddle, preying on and fuelling our petty prejudices so that we submit to each ban with applause, instead of derision. You only have to look at the smoking threads to see this – it seems some who agree with the ban would rather slit your throat than have you smoking anywhere near them – not realising, of course, that there are other ‘unhinged’ sections of society that feel exactly the same way about the car they drive, or any other lifestyle choice they make, that they hate.
The UK now seems so divisive and full of hate and intolerance – and petty prejudice is rife, helped along the way by this cancerous government and their orcs, that it would take nothing less than a miracle to change attitudes back to something a little more tolerable.

Quite right, I am having the same difficulty in the firearms thread with those happy to prevent people owning their choice of firearms yet do not see that their freedom to own and drive whatever vehicle they want could be at risk in the future if we are not very, very careful.

It is strange how people are happy to keep their freedoms and happy to remove the freedoms of those with whom they disagree, a worrying trend of sociliasm IMHO.

[don4l]

Jasandjules said:

It is strange how people are happy to keep their freedoms and happy to remove the freedoms of those with whom they disagree, a worrying trend of sociliasm IMHO.

I have been following the same threads and it is worrying that empathy seems to be dissappearing from large sections of society.

Years ago, politicians behaved with a sense of responsibility. Nowadays, it seems as if the Daily Mail is running the three main parties.

We seem to have lost an awful lot of our liberty over the past 11 years.

Don
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[Oakey]

Lee. said:

don4l said:

Jasandjules said:

It is strange how people are happy to keep their freedoms and happy to remove the freedoms of those with whom they disagree, a worrying trend of sociliasm IMHO.

I have been following the same threads and it is worrying that empathy seems to be dissappearing from large sections of society.

Years ago, politicians behaved with a sense of responsibility. Nowadays, it seems as if the Daily Mail is running the three main parties.

We seem to have lost an awful lot of our liberty over the past 11 years.

Don
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Way to much empathy, no one questions anything. I recently posted some questions regarding the addition of fluoride in our water systems and not one person stood back and questioned the reasons why, instead i was ridiculed and basically laughed at.

Human beings have the ability to create a beautiful world yet we have been manipulated and lied to for the benefit of the elite, not us. They have created a corrupt population because a corrupt population is easy to control.

And yes we have lost an awful lot of our liberty over the years and if you believe what is talked about and we do end up with a world government (new world order) then expect a lot more of our freedom to go.

I just went and had a look and I think maybe you're worrying too much. Seriously, do you expect people to 'think' about what they're putting in their bodies? We live in a world where people inject Botox into their faces and needles into their stomach for an all over tan. If people are happy to do that in the name of vanity then they aren't going to give a toss about a bit of flouride in their water.

[B17NNS]

I don't agree with his sentement but I defend wholeheartedly his right to have that view point.

[Mojocvh]

OOPs re read article yes a worrying trend if it was just a case of banging him up to suppress his opinion.

Edited by Mojocvh on Monday 3rd May 16:00

[odyssey2200]

B17NNS said:

I don't agree with his sentement but I defend wholeheartedly his right to have that view point.

Agree!

The CPSO needs to be sacked!

So will the bibe now be banned if it contains such quotes?

Edited by odyssey2200 on Monday 3rd May 16:05