Japanese debt
Author
Discussion

Fittster

Original Poster:

20,120 posts

243 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
Now lots of bandwagon jumpers are starting threads on Greek debt I thought I'd start one on Japanses debt.

"JAPAN'S mounting public debt problem cannot be compared to the Greek crisis, although there are long-term concerns for Asia's biggest economy, a Japanese senior finance official said on Thursday.

Japan, after decades of heavy stimulus spending and declining tax revenues, has a public debt mountain bigger than any other industrialised nation, expected to hit 200 per cent of gross domestic product in the next year.

But senior Vice Minister of Finance Naoki Minezaki told reporters that, 'as 95 per cent of Japanese government bonds are bought domestically, there is no reason to compare them with Greece,' the Nikkei daily reported.

He added, however, that Japan's situation is 'quite severe over the medium and long term,' according to the business daily's website. Mr Minezaki, a ruling-party lawmaker, is one of the two politically appointed senior vice ministers of finance."

http://www.straitstimes.com/BreakingNews/Money/Sto...




mondeoman

11,430 posts

296 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
Is there ANYONE this isn't going to feck over at some point??

Oily Nails

2,932 posts

230 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
The Falklands?

TEKNOPUG

20,490 posts

235 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
Good question.

Perhaps every country should write off their debt and we'll all just start again from zero.

Tadite

560 posts

214 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
Japan has lost nearly two full decades of growth. They will never recover. Not to mention the single most dramatic population transition in human history. Census projections show that Japan will lose 30 Million people over the next 30 years dropping over 35% of their total population.

They are done as a major power.


Fittster

Original Poster:

20,120 posts

243 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
mondeoman said:
Is there ANYONE this isn't going to feck over at some point??
Norway.

magpie215

5,037 posts

219 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
TEKNOPUG said:
Good question.

Perhaps every country should write off their debt and we'll all just start again from zero.
Probably not a bad idea can any of these countries ever realistically get back into the black?

rypt

2,548 posts

220 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
Tadite said:
Japan has lost nearly two full decades of growth. They will never recover. Not to mention the single most dramatic population transition in human history. Census projections show that Japan will lose 30 Million people over the next 30 years dropping over 35% of their total population.

They are done as a major power.
I disagree, and a population drop is possibly a good thing given how crowded the island already is.
Japan is still at the forefront of technology and engineering

Halb

53,012 posts

213 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
Fittster said:
mondeoman said:
Is there ANYONE this isn't going to feck over at some point??
Norway.
How come?

Dracoro

9,033 posts

275 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
magpie215 said:
TEKNOPUG said:
Good question.

Perhaps every country should write off their debt and we'll all just start again from zero.
Probably not a bad idea can any of these countries ever realistically get back into the black?
There's a huge flaw in this plan.

Country's don't just owe money to other country's, but rather private companies, banks etc.

What is more interesting, is what the "net" debt that isn't directly owed from one country to another?

Edited by Dracoro on Thursday 6th May 18:09

Fittster

Original Poster:

20,120 posts

243 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
Halb said:
Fittster said:
mondeoman said:
Is there ANYONE this isn't going to feck over at some point??
Norway.
How come?
Oil, Stable Democracy, Budget Surplus, Outside the EU.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Norway

andy_s

19,855 posts

289 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
Who does everyone owe all this money too?

eccles

14,390 posts

252 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
A whole page and no one has blamed Brown yet!.... come, we're slipping here!

andy_s

19,855 posts

289 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
anonymous said:
[redacted]

andy_s

19,855 posts

289 months

Thursday 6th May 2010
quotequote all
andy_s said:
Who does everyone owe all this money too?
Ah, from the 'web of debt' thread.



Edited by andy_s on Thursday 6th May 18:42

Fittster

Original Poster:

20,120 posts

243 months

Friday 11th June 2010
quotequote all
"apan is at "risk of collapse" under its huge debt mountain, the country's new prime minister has said.

Naoto Kan, in his first major speech since taking over, said Japan needed a financial restructuring to avert a Greece-style crisis.

"Our country's outstanding public debt is huge... our public finances have become the worst of any developed country," he said.

After years of borrowing, Japan's debt is twice its gross domestic product.

"It is difficult to continue our fiscal policies by heavily relying on the issuance of government bonds," said Mr Kan, Japan's former finance minister.

"Like the confusion in the eurozone triggered by Greece, there is a risk of collapse if we leave the increase of the public debt untouched and then lose the trust of the bond markets," he said."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/10290933.stm

nonuts

15,855 posts

259 months

Friday 11th June 2010
quotequote all
andy_s said:
Ah, from the 'web of debt' thread.

See this bit I don't get, the same countries owe money to each other, surely they should just write it off or whatever until only one side owes the other money?

e.g Spain vs Italy.

$47 owed to Spain by Italy and $31 owed to Italy by Spain, surely in reality that should just be $16 is owed by Italy to Spain? What am I missing?

Carfolio

1,124 posts

211 months

Friday 11th June 2010
quotequote all
nonuts said:
$47 owed to Spain by Italy and $31 owed to Italy by Spain, surely in reality that should just be $16 is owed by Italy to Spain? What am I missing?
Politicians' snouts in troughs, I suspect...

Dracoro

9,033 posts

275 months

Friday 11th June 2010
quotequote all
nonuts said:
See this bit I don't get, the same countries owe money to each other, surely they should just write it off or whatever until only one side owes the other money?

e.g Spain vs Italy.

$47 owed to Spain by Italy and $31 owed to Italy by Spain, surely in reality that should just be $16 is owed by Italy to Spain? What am I missing?
Pierre from France owes you £1000.

Bob from Birmingham owes Pierre £1000.

Should Pierre say to YOU that he won't pay you back YOUR £1000 as he, in turn, is letting Bob off his £1000?

nonuts

15,855 posts

259 months

Friday 11th June 2010
quotequote all
When you put it like that it makes perfect sense, except when you look at it like that, why bother grouping by country...