This bloody labourist / defeatist attitude.
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So with the whole hype over the election it seems a lot of Labourists have emerged from the woodwork, that I'm somehow acquainted with. How anyone can think Labour are even half-decent is beyond me completely but each to their own and all that.
What really annoys me is their 'points' they wish to make. They're ridiculous, unfounded and plain wrong.
From my recent oh-so-scientific findings these people will tell you they are 'proud' to be working class, and 'proud' not to have much money. And it's Maggie's fault that they've got no money. And CMD will get rid of tax credits. He'll tax the poor to fund the rich. What really gets me here is the fact they're willing to blame someone else for their choice of profession (and therefore lack of money thereof).
Woe betide anyone that suggests they could work more hours. "I only get a day and a half off a week, you know?!" - Oh really? Sunday and half of Saturday? No didn't think so. You get 3 and a half days off. That's half a week.
Finally this morning, I've had one of my full time(ish) employees turn more (permanent) hours down that I'd offered him because he'd be beyond the threshold for the maximum amount of tax credits.
Does this just annoy me?
What really annoys me is their 'points' they wish to make. They're ridiculous, unfounded and plain wrong.
From my recent oh-so-scientific findings these people will tell you they are 'proud' to be working class, and 'proud' not to have much money. And it's Maggie's fault that they've got no money. And CMD will get rid of tax credits. He'll tax the poor to fund the rich. What really gets me here is the fact they're willing to blame someone else for their choice of profession (and therefore lack of money thereof).
Woe betide anyone that suggests they could work more hours. "I only get a day and a half off a week, you know?!" - Oh really? Sunday and half of Saturday? No didn't think so. You get 3 and a half days off. That's half a week.
Finally this morning, I've had one of my full time(ish) employees turn more (permanent) hours down that I'd offered him because he'd be beyond the threshold for the maximum amount of tax credits.
Does this just annoy me?
whitevanman88 said:
Finally this morning, I've had one of my full time(ish) employees turn more (permanent) hours down that I'd offered him because he'd be beyond the threshold for the maximum amount of tax credits.
If we're being polite, we'd call that a poverty "trap" ... rather than saying that the current benefits system actively encourages the lazy and cynical to sponge off the tax payer. It is a disgrace.whitevanman88 said:
What really gets me here is the fact they're willing to blame someone else for their choice of profession (and therefore lack of money thereof).
Can't blame no-one but themselves really. Take some responsibility and that.whitevanman88 said:
Does this just annoy me?
Not just you.ATG said:
whitevanman88 said:
Finally this morning, I've had one of my full time(ish) employees turn more (permanent) hours down that I'd offered him because he'd be beyond the threshold for the maximum amount of tax credits.
If we're being polite, we'd call that a poverty "trap" ... rather than saying that the current benefits system actively encourages the lazy and cynical to sponge off the tax payer. It is a disgrace.change the system!
Adam B said:
ATG said:
whitevanman88 said:
Finally this morning, I've had one of my full time(ish) employees turn more (permanent) hours down that I'd offered him because he'd be beyond the threshold for the maximum amount of tax credits.
If we're being polite, we'd call that a poverty "trap" ... rather than saying that the current benefits system actively encourages the lazy and cynical to sponge off the tax payer. It is a disgrace.change the system!
whitevanman88 said:
Finally this morning, I've had one of my full time(ish) employees turn more (permanent) hours down that I'd offered him because he'd be beyond the threshold for the maximum amount of tax credits.
Did you reply "Well think carefully, because it won't be offered again"?whitevanman88 said:
Finally this morning, I've had one of my full time(ish) employees turn more (permanent) hours down that I'd offered him because he'd be beyond the threshold for the maximum amount of tax credits.
You should have advised him to just spend the tax credits so he is unable to pay them back later. That's what everybody else does, no?Dr Jekyll said:
fbrs said:
whitevanman88 said:
he'd be beyond the threshold for the maximum amount of tax credits.
wtf are tax credits?Dr Jekyll said:
fbrs said:
whitevanman88 said:
he'd be beyond the threshold for the maximum amount of tax credits.
wtf are tax credits?fbrs said:
seriously i dont understand. is it possible to reach a point where by working longer hours you lose more 'credit' than your increse in earnings? what do you get tax credit for?
http://taxcredits.hmrc.gov.uk/Qualify/WhatAreTaxCredits.aspxHave a read - Working Tax Credits.
Essentially it's tax back payments for those in low paid jobs. It varies based on income/hours worked.
Probably easier to stick to certain set hours in order to qualify/get paid full amount = voluntary refusion to work overtime etc.
Or something like that, i'm not that good with my wording...
fbrs said:
Dr Jekyll said:
fbrs said:
whitevanman88 said:
he'd be beyond the threshold for the maximum amount of tax credits.
wtf are tax credits?Tax credits are given for a combination of working a number of hours per week and having children. An extremely convoluted means-tested approach to tax breaks for lower income families.
soad said:
sounds like an absurdly inefficient way of raising the personal allowance without raising it for higher rate tax payers. anyone else notice this socialist obsession with removing any tax burden, and consequently any care how they waste it, from their voters? simple solution, get rid of all these tax breaks, the personal allowance AND employers contributions and other taxes such that the low paid take home the same as they do now but AFTER tax. revenue neutral. maybe they will then start to care how it is spent.Edited by fbrs on Tuesday 11th May 15:20
HiRich said:
whitevanman88 said:
Finally this morning, I've had one of my full time(ish) employees turn more (permanent) hours down that I'd offered him because he'd be beyond the threshold for the maximum amount of tax credits.
Did you reply "Well think carefully, because it won't be offered again"?
What we have is a situation where tax credits prove to be a complete disincentive to work. I have staff who pull the same stunt and they are all paid well above the NMW. Now you know how Winky Mcf
kwit got so many votes last week from the 'working' classes. Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against the working classes and that is where my background can be traced to. The thing is, my ancestors actually worked, (some still do) and I don't remember any of them doing less than a full week or more because of some ste-brained government scheme.There are some of us, on such low incomes that we don't actually pay income tax, but I do rely on the tax credits I get for keeping my family fed. My actual earned income for last year was probably way below what most of you get as take home each month.
Pitfalls of trying to set up a business and having to take a low paid self employed work from home job at the same time
Pitfalls of trying to set up a business and having to take a low paid self employed work from home job at the same time
speedchick said:
we don't actually pay income tax, but I do rely on the tax credits
now i'm lost again. is this a tax credit that means you end up paying no tax or a welfare payment you get on top of untaxed income? (genuine question, not having a go)Edited by fbrs on Tuesday 11th May 15:46
fbrs said:
speedchick said:
we don't actually pay income tax, but I do rely on the tax credits
HTH
I get the child tax credits, but as my income is so low, I also get the working tax credit bit, it's supposed to top my income upto a livable level. A measure of just how low my income is, the tax office have told me that they don't even want me to fill a self assessment form in!
Tax credits and help with the council tax (again due to low income) are all that I get though, I don't get help with the mortgage, or JSA. Income Support or anything like that.
But saying that, one of the benefits that I do get with the tax credits is free prescriptions and help with glasses and NHS dental treatment.
Tax credits and help with the council tax (again due to low income) are all that I get though, I don't get help with the mortgage, or JSA. Income Support or anything like that.
But saying that, one of the benefits that I do get with the tax credits is free prescriptions and help with glasses and NHS dental treatment.
Edited by speedchick on Tuesday 11th May 15:52
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