NuLabour audit
Discussion
no need to wait for the IMF to audit the books, use the governments own figures...
edited for formatting, add balance of trade and correct ftse
1997 2007 2010
National Debt (Bn) 348bn 500bn 776bn
Budget Deficit (Bn) 0bn 84bn 171bn
Unfunded public pension liabilites 270bn 730bn 886bn (2009)
Inflation (RPI) 3% 4.5% 4.4%
Personal Debt (Bn) 503bn 1346bn 1460bn
FTSE 4800 6500 5200
Industrial Production 10Year Ann Average +1.7% +0.1% -1.6%
Manufacturing Prod 10Year Ann Average +1.9% +0.5% -1.1%
Balance of trade (Bn/yr, + is surplus) +4.4 -44.9 -34.2
edited for formatting, add balance of trade and correct ftse
Edited by fbrs on Friday 14th May 18:09
Jasandjules said:
Unless people really do think that we can spend and spend and spend on public services without any requirement to pay it back...
Those people are known as Socialists, and yes, they still believe we can spend,spend, spend 
I am on another forum infested with left-wing prats and it is painful trying to explain the basics of money to them

lots of these are from bloomberg pro, in the brief time i have before i go get drunk i've tried to find web links that substantiate the trickier ones. things like the FTSE are a simple matter of record you can just google. for IP and MP its all ons data.
National Debt http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/downchart_ukgs.p...
Budget Deficit http://www.debtbombshell.com/britains-budget-defic...
Unfunded public pension liabilites - this is the fun one!
http://www.actuaries.org/EVENTS/Seminars/Brighton/...
http://www.management-issues.com/2006/8/24/researc...
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/foi_publicservicep...
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/...
http://www.bnac.org/files/BNAC%20Release%20on%20pu...
http://www.cps.org.uk/cps_catalog/the%20hidden%20d...
Inflation (RPI) bbg/ons stats
Personal Debt http://www.grant-thornton.co.uk/press_room/uk_pers...
FTSE - you can google that
Industrial Production - bbg/ ons data
Manufacturing Prod - bbg/ ons data
ok i'm bored now... off to massive attack
ps i have no political axe to grind, although i despise brown for his arrogant incompetence, i would not call myself a tory, didnt vote for them, don't even live in the uk and welcome anyone correcting the figures.
National Debt http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/downchart_ukgs.p...
Budget Deficit http://www.debtbombshell.com/britains-budget-defic...
Unfunded public pension liabilites - this is the fun one!
http://www.actuaries.org/EVENTS/Seminars/Brighton/...
http://www.management-issues.com/2006/8/24/researc...
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/foi_publicservicep...
http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/...
http://www.bnac.org/files/BNAC%20Release%20on%20pu...
http://www.cps.org.uk/cps_catalog/the%20hidden%20d...
Inflation (RPI) bbg/ons stats
Personal Debt http://www.grant-thornton.co.uk/press_room/uk_pers...
FTSE - you can google that
Industrial Production - bbg/ ons data
Manufacturing Prod - bbg/ ons data
ok i'm bored now... off to massive attack

ps i have no political axe to grind, although i despise brown for his arrogant incompetence, i would not call myself a tory, didnt vote for them, don't even live in the uk and welcome anyone correcting the figures.
Edited by fbrs on Wednesday 12th May 00:20
MyWorkIsDone said:
jules_s said:
Evangelion said:
The country needs to get the message: Labour think they can solve any problem just by throwing money at it.
Yep,Hopefully the OP will post some figures so we can all take a good look.
So let the OP post the '84-'97 stats from his/her source and lets have a chat about them.
Edit...the OP just did.
Edited by jules_s on Wednesday 12th May 00:28
jules_s said:
MyWorkIsDone said:
jules_s said:
Evangelion said:
The country needs to get the message: Labour think they can solve any problem just by throwing money at it.
Yep,Hopefully the OP will post some figures so we can all take a good look.
So let the OP post the '84-'97 stats from his/her source and lets have a chat about them.
jules_s said:
So let the OP post the '84-'97 stats from his/her source and lets have a chat about them.
if you want to post data from 84 feel free, i haven't. the data i posted shows what nulab inherited, where we were pre recession and where we are now. if you want to critique the thatcher government based on what she inherited feel free but im afraid i was way too young to remember any of that.fbrs said:
jules_s said:
So let the OP post the '84-'97 stats from his/her source and lets have a chat about them.
if you want to post data from 84 feel free, i haven't. the data i posted shows what nulab inherited, where we were pre recession and where we are now. if you want to critique the thatcher government based on what she inherited feel free but im afraid i was way too young to remember any of that.http://www.debtbombshell.com/britains-budget-defic...
All good heh?
Qualified Lead Auditor here.
Ill do it for free
And Jules, auditing the Uk 84-97 has been done, many many times. The result is an almost unanimous verdict of a massive increase in wealth, productivity, asset value and cash flow. The one area where that is not the case is manufacturing. Unfortunately manufacturing in the UK quite simply shot itself in the foot during the previous 2 decades to 84. The total investment across the industry was incompetently low, the quality of management input was tragically comic and by the early 80s the only outcome was going to be a literal decimation of the manufacturing base. All of which saddens me greatly as I have a personal and professional stake in it.
Ill do it for free

And Jules, auditing the Uk 84-97 has been done, many many times. The result is an almost unanimous verdict of a massive increase in wealth, productivity, asset value and cash flow. The one area where that is not the case is manufacturing. Unfortunately manufacturing in the UK quite simply shot itself in the foot during the previous 2 decades to 84. The total investment across the industry was incompetently low, the quality of management input was tragically comic and by the early 80s the only outcome was going to be a literal decimation of the manufacturing base. All of which saddens me greatly as I have a personal and professional stake in it.
fbrs said:
jules_s said:
So let the OP post the '84-'97 stats from his/her source and lets have a chat about them.
if you want to post data from 84 feel free, i haven't. the data i posted shows what nulab inherited, where we were pre recession and where we are now. if you want to critique the thatcher government based on what she inherited feel free but im afraid i was way too young to remember any of that.
Should we discuss the strikes, the powercuts and the waste piling up on the streets now or later?
fbrs said:
no need to wait for the IMF to audit the books, use the governments own figures...
1997 2007 2010
National Debt (Bn) 348bn 500bn 776bn
Budget Deficit (Bn) 0bn 84bn 171bn
Unfunded public pension liabilites 270bn 730bn 886bn (2009)
Inflation (RPI) 3% 4.5% 4.4%
Personal Debt (Bn) 503bn 1346bn 1460bn
FTSE 4800 6500 3900
Industrial Production 10Year Ann Average +1.7% +0.1% -1.6%
Manufacturing Prod 10Year Ann Average +1.9% +0.5% -1.1%
apologies for stupid ph formatting
1997 2007 2010
National Debt (Bn) 348bn 500bn 776bn
Budget Deficit (Bn) 0bn 84bn 171bn
Unfunded public pension liabilites 270bn 730bn 886bn (2009)
Inflation (RPI) 3% 4.5% 4.4%
Personal Debt (Bn) 503bn 1346bn 1460bn
FTSE 4800 6500 3900
Industrial Production 10Year Ann Average +1.7% +0.1% -1.6%
Manufacturing Prod 10Year Ann Average +1.9% +0.5% -1.1%
apologies for stupid ph formatting
Edited by fbrs on Tuesday 11th May 20:49

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