New Labour project is now dead - What next?

[Morningside]

After 13 years it looks like the New Labour project has totally failed. What next? Back to hard left politics?

[unpc]

It was all a sham anyway. It was just putting lipstick on a pig. It was still a pig.

[Man-At-Arms]

as the phrase goes :

you can't polish a turd

[unpc]

Man-At-Arms said:

as the phrase goes :

you can't polish a turd

But you can roll it in glitter.

[Man-At-Arms]

unpc said:

Man-At-Arms said:

as the phrase goes :

you can't polish a turd

But you can roll it in glitter.

what you do with Gary is up to you !

[Devil2575]

The concept didn't fail, just the execution.

What happens next?

Cameron will continue it.

The parties might be called labour and the conservatives but there isn't that much difference between them.

[LeeME3]

Presumably Labour will re-brand to solidify it's core vote and probably try and entice dis-enfrachised Lib Dems. But of course the Unions (sorry, affiliated organisations) get a 33% say in the new leader (IIRC) so there's always going to be a pretty strong link back to pre-New Labour days (as there always was, they chose not to mention it too much!).

[randlemarcus]

Devil2575 said:

The concept didn't fail, just the execution.

What happens next?

Cameron will continue it.

The parties might be called labour and the conservatives but there isn't that much difference between them.

I seem to recall that phrase being trotted out during the collapse of the Soviet Union.

[Tangent Police]

Devil2575 said:

The concept didn't fail, just the execution.

What happens next?

Cameron will continue it.

The parties might be called labour and the conservatives but there isn't that much difference between them.

I agree. Collective Liberalism all the way into Europe.....

[Devil2575]

randlemarcus said:

Devil2575 said:

The concept didn't fail, just the execution.

What happens next?

Cameron will continue it.

The parties might be called labour and the conservatives but there isn't that much difference between them.

I seem to recall that phrase being trotted out during the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Yes but communism failed in a lot of countries simultaneously and it faults are there for all too see. There is not an economically successful example of a truely comunist state. China perhaps but that is no longer proper communist.

However there are plenty of suceessful countries with left leaning governments.

There is a huge difference between New labour and communism, despite what the Daily Mail may say

[DJC]

Can you imagine if Ed Balls got the leadership.

Oh happy days

[SJobson]

Apart from spin, how did New Labour differ from any other generic political ideology?

[Don]

unpc said:

Man-At-Arms said:

as the phrase goes :

you can't polish a turd

But you can roll it in glitter.

Or bake it hard in the oven and varnish it.

[unpc]

Don said:

unpc said:

Man-At-Arms said:

as the phrase goes :

you can't polish a turd

But you can roll it in glitter.

Or bake it hard in the oven and varnish it.

You've done this before haven't you?

[Conian]

unpc said:

Don said:

unpc said:

Man-At-Arms said:

as the phrase goes :

you can't polish a turd

But you can roll it in glitter.

Or bake it hard in the oven and varnish it.

You've done this before haven't you?

You can polish lion poo, Jamie and Adam told me.
They also told me the plane took off, God bless them.

[Hugo a Gogo]

Devil2575 said:

There is not an economically successful example of a truly communist state. China perhaps but that is no longer proper communist.

Communism is a stateless society, so no state could ever be 'proper communist', even China and the Soviet Union

[off_again]

Morningside said:

After 13 years it looks like the New Labour project has totally failed. What next? Back to hard left politics?

A little harsh maybe? Given that the NL thing managed to get them elected for 13 years, that's hardly a failure though. The end results aren't exactly great and we have a long road ahead to get back to where we once were.

I suspect you might be right on Labour moving more left though. Its pretty clear that the unions still have a lot of control and power within NL and I suspect they will start to play their hands. They have bank-rolled them for the last year or so and even helped them with their election campaign. So I suspect it will be back to the bad-old-days of Labour though - constant bleating on about 'the working man' and other such nonesense. Oh and lots of strikes supported by the Labour party.....

[Don]

off_again said:

Morningside said:

After 13 years it looks like the New Labour project has totally failed. What next? Back to hard left politics?

A little harsh maybe? Given that the NL thing managed to get them elected for 13 years, that's hardly a failure though. The end results aren't exactly great and we have a long road ahead to get back to where we once were.

I suspect you might be right on Labour moving more left though. Its pretty clear that the unions still have a lot of control and power within NL and I suspect they will start to play their hands. They have bank-rolled them for the last year or so and even helped them with their election campaign. So I suspect it will be back to the bad-old-days of Labour though - constant bleating on about 'the working man' and other such nonesense. Oh and lots of strikes supported by the Labour party.....

Which was the stuff that made them unelectable...

[Puggit]

Having had a perusal of LabourList this morning, it seems there are a few voices advocating the end of spin...

[Don]

Puggit said:

Having had a perusal of LabourList this morning, it seems there are a few voices advocating the end of spin...

Well it's not their choice anymore.

I suspect Cameron will play it straight. After all: he can spend the next five years blaming the previous administration...