Clegg on now - Great Reform Bill!!!

[BruceV8]

Sounds good so far:

No ID cards

CCTV to be regulated

Review of anti-terrorism laws and abuses thereof.

No second stage biometric passport.

DNA and child contact databases restricted.

Upper house elected by PR

Referendum on AV.

Power of recall on MPs.

[SmoothRB]

I like what he is saying but I fear it is too little.

I want mass ANPR banned also.

[philthy]

SmoothRB said:

I like what he is saying but I fear it is too little.

I want mass ANPR banned also.

I disagree.
More ANPR, less wooden headed pursuit of speeders.

[Plotloss]

BruceV8 said:

Referendum on AV.

Not liking the sound of that...

[Carfiend]

ANPR is fine as it catches people who are pushing up the cost of insurance and the like on honest people as well as removing potential death traps from the road etc...

The insurance problem could be solved by using a system similar to Australia where every one has blanket 3rd Party cover but doesn't stop people driving without VED or a MOT.

Catch them, crush the car, make them get the bus.

[XJR40]

It all sounds like a big step in the right direction.

[jmorgan]

I am happy for ANPR as a tool for certain aspects but not as a national network to snoop.

[Devil2575]

Carfiend said:

ANPR is fine as it catches people who are pushing up the cost of insurance and the like on honest people as well as removing potential death traps from the road etc...

The insurance problem could be solved by using a system similar to Australia where every one has blanket 3rd Party cover but doesn't stop people driving without VED or a MOT.

Catch them, crush the car, make them get the bus.

Agreed.

[Laurel Green]

Plotloss said:

BruceV8 said:

Referendum on AV.

Not liking the sound of that...

Best go for the cheap-option-drill-package Sir.

[JonRB]

BBC said:

Mr Clegg, who is overseeing the government's political reform plans, said he wanted to "transform our politics so the state has far less control over you, and you have far more control over the state".

(Source: BBC)

Looking very encouraging.

[Carfiend]

The bit about reviewing libel laws is a positive. Make it clear that just cause someone called you a nasty name doesn't mean you can sue them.

[remedy]

jmorgan said:

I am happy for ANPR as a tool for certain aspects but not as a national network to snoop.

I agree, use should be restricted to verification of insurance and tax/MOT and not to be used for tracking purposes.

[SmoothRB]

Carfiend said:

ANPR is fine as it catches people who are pushing up the cost of insurance and the like on honest people as well as removing potential death traps from the road etc...

The insurance problem could be solved by using a system similar to Australia where every one has blanket 3rd Party cover but doesn't stop people driving without VED or a MOT.

Catch them, crush the car, make them get the bus.

So the price of your liberty is a few quid?

Is that what you are saying?

ANPR allows the STATE to track you, that is the problem. History says that these powers get abused eventually.

Do agree MASSIVELY with your point about 3rd party. I live in Oz for a bit and it is a miles better system.

Edited by SmoothRB on Wednesday 19th May 13:15

[SmoothRB]

jmorgan said:

I am happy for ANPR as a tool for certain aspects but not as a national network to snoop.

Agree.

I don't want my movements captured and stored in a national computer unless suspected of a crime.

[BruceV8]

So how does the 3rd party system work in Australia?

[MartinM]

This is sounding very promising. Reversing some of the poisonous ste of Nu Labour and replacing it with some sensibly libertarian ideas. More please!

[Jasandjules]

SmoothRB said:

jmorgan said:

I am happy for ANPR as a tool for certain aspects but not as a national network to snoop.

Agree.

I don't want my movements captured and stored in a national computer unless suspected of a crime.

Is ANPR currently stored then and if so for how long?

But to me most of the proposals seem to accord with my views, so I am generally happy with it.

[jmorgan]

SmoothRB said:

jmorgan said:

I am happy for ANPR as a tool for certain aspects but not as a national network to snoop.

Agree.

I don't want my movements captured and stored in a national computer unless suspected of a crime.

If the DVLA are set up to catch tax dodgers, fine. On police cars, fine. Those I have no problems with as long as the data can be proven to only be used for that. The network that seems to be creeping in un noticed (or is it me?) no way.

[BliarOut]

BruceV8 said:

Sounds good so far:

No ID cards

CCTV to be regulated

Review of anti-terrorism laws and abuses thereof.

No second stage biometric passport.

DNA and child contact databases restricted.

Upper house elected by PR

Referendum on AV.

Power of recall on MPs.

It's the change of mindset that I'm liking

[Jasandjules]

BliarOut said:

It's the change of mindset that I'm liking

Agreed. I am sure I heard CMD saying in one speech or other that HE/The Govt are there to serve the public and not the other way around. Which is a step in the right direction, and this bill seems to be putting his money where his mouth is (assuming my recollection is correct).