Google Street Car outrage
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Original Poster:

2,102 posts

215 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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Can anyone explain why the Streetcars were equiped with Wifi sniffers in the first instance. They obviously were upto something all along

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/10227854.stm

Jim the Sunderer

3,261 posts

212 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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It was probably just for market research, probably.

Edited by Jim the Sunderer on Friday 4th June 09:52

hornetrider

63,161 posts

235 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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Jim the Sunderer said:
It was probably just for market research, probably.

Edited by Jim the Sunderer on Friday 4th June 09:52
Uh huh. Nothing is done without a reason. Someone made that decision - the question is - why?

sonar

JB!

5,255 posts

210 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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surely this is only an issue if you wifi isnt password-protected?

Bibbs

3,754 posts

240 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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Because you can program a GPS like solution, without using a satelite.

Know that you can see WiFi "ABC123"? You look up the co-ords for that WiFi on Googles database and you know roughly where you are.

This covers two areas.
1 - SatNav on a device without a GPS chip - but not too accurate.
2 - SatNav knowing where you are roughly, before it can get a lock on with a satelite (that few minute delay on startup, or the drop of signal when in a tunnel/built up area).

Don't want Google to know your WiFi name? Don't broadcast it out to the street.

It's like complaining that people know what TV you are watching, when you mount a 200" TV on the front of your house.

Edited by Bibbs on Friday 4th June 10:00

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

228 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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the professionally "offended"

finding reason to be offended at everything possible even when nobodys actually offended.


if you dont want someone sniffing your wifi you have a number of options


1. tune your signal level so it doesn't propagate beyond the boundaries of your property
2. build a Faraday cage around your property
3. dont power up your wifi

simple choices

Edited by SystemParanoia on Friday 4th June 10:36

JB!

5,255 posts

210 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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anyone with an iphone can "sniff" your wifi connexion surely?

Bibbs

3,754 posts

240 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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JB! said:
anyone with an iphone can "sniff" your wifi connexion surely?
I have a program on my phone that does this.

I compile the data and then send it to a company, when I have a certain amount found, they paypal me a few quid. I've made about £100 over 2 years doing this.

DeadMeat_UK

3,058 posts

312 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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I do hate it when I'm out with my camera taking pictures and I accidentally gather peoples Wi-Fi data.

DonkeyApple

70,213 posts

199 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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DeadMeat_UK said:
I do hate it when I'm out with my camera taking pictures and I accidentally gather peoples Wi-Fi data.
But you could VOIP the woman you are taking pictures of while up in your tree. biggrin

loltolhurst

1,994 posts

214 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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cool thanks for the link have downloaded kismet...you will find most IT people do things because they can and dont have any motives from the outset. if you dont like it then go live in a hut or secure your st.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

228 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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loltolhurst said:
cool thanks for the link have downloaded kismet...you will find most IT people do things because they can and dont have any motives from the outset. if you dont like it then go live in a hut or secure your st.
and when you secure it... don't use WEP lol

Don

28,378 posts

314 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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SystemParanoia said:
and when you secure it... don't use WEP lol
WEP. Eminently crackable. But it does discourage casual users.

anonymous-user

84 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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SystemParanoia said:
3. dont your wifi

simple choices
It doesn't look that simple to me really. hehe

Busa_Rush

6,930 posts

281 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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Just highlights another technology which the average joe implements without understanding how to do it. If you want it done properly so you can't be snooped on (or at least make it difficult for the average person) then get somebody who know what they are doing. All the access points they discovered and could see traffic on were unencrypted - poorly implemented.

Jinx

12,020 posts

290 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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Don said:
SystemParanoia said:
and when you secure it... don't use WEP lol
WEP. Eminently crackable. But it does discourage casual users.
Problem is a lot of older wireless equipment doesn't support WPA or anything stronger than WEP. I would suggest if you are forced to use WEP then use the MAC filtering function on your router. It's not impossible to spoof a MAC but it adds a little extra level of security.

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

228 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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el stovey said:
SystemParanoia said:
3. dont your wifi

simple choices
It doesn't look that simple to me really. hehe
oops lol. what can you say, some people like a challenge tongue out

Puggit

49,818 posts

278 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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Am I the only one who was hoping to see a baying mob ripping the cameras from the roof?

Don

28,378 posts

314 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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Busa_Rush said:
Just highlights another technology which the average joe implements without understanding how to do it. If you want it done properly so you can't be snooped on (or at least make it difficult for the average person) then get somebody who know what they are doing. All the access points they discovered and could see traffic on were unencrypted - poorly implemented.
Or people don't care.

I left my WiFi router fully open for years as it was convenient for visitors.

Now I have a Home Hub I've ended up securing it - but I joined BT FON.

Targarama

14,788 posts

313 months

Friday 4th June 2010
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Don said:
Busa_Rush said:
Just highlights another technology which the average joe implements without understanding how to do it. If you want it done properly so you can't be snooped on (or at least make it difficult for the average person) then get somebody who know what they are doing. All the access points they discovered and could see traffic on were unencrypted - poorly implemented.
Or people don't care.

I left my WiFi router fully open for years as it was convenient for visitors.

Now I have a Home Hub I've ended up securing it - but I joined BT FON.
IIRC from pics of your pad in the snow you live in a nice quiet spot with no passing traffic. Would you have done the same if you lived in a flat next to Reading station?