Not just PH who are getting brassed off with the BBC
Not just PH who are getting brassed off with the BBC
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F i F

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48,837 posts

281 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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From Janet Daley in the Telegraph

Has the BBC noticed the change in government?
My colleague Mandrake quotes a senior BBC insider as saying that the Corporation “is into denial about the change of government and that’s why Peter (Mandelson) is still taken so seriously here”. The Deep Throat goes on to point out that “Alastair Campbell can more or less dictate when he appears and there are people here who genuinely thought it was a coup that we managed to get Lord Prescott to host Have I Got News for You.”

This bit of useful information helps to illuminate a great mystery of recent BBC political coverage: the Tories (and their new best friends, the LibDems) may be in power but the self-appointed greatest broadcasting organisation n the world still stuffs its programmes with Labour-supporting commentators to opine on the events of the day. The ubiquitous voices of the same old, same old, Left-liberal pundits go on and on, and the Labour leadership contest gets almost as much airtime as the real world of government policy.

more here


It seems that right leaners are being banished from the channel.

More evidence that the charter continues to be broken.



andy43

13,229 posts

284 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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article said:
...and the Labour leadership contest gets almost as much airtime as the real world of government policy.
yes Andrew Marr yesterday with Balls on - why? Who cares?

Edited by andy43 on Monday 21st June 12:50

chris watton

22,547 posts

290 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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I agree with her, I also replied on that blog.
I know C4 is just as bad, but that isn't funded by us, and it doesn't 'spoon feed' us their blinkered and one sided views, which they think are so enlightening to us 'plebs'.

The news and current affairs section in particular needs a severe overhaul, perhaps even threatened with privatisation if they cannot be balanced - which at the moment, and certainly since the election, they clearly are not.

They seem to be very comfortable living in their own little bubble, protected by a guaranteed income and pensions. I would not care a jot about that if they were, as their own mandate suggests, impartial.

Sheets Tabuer

21,468 posts

245 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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I always though C4 was funded by us, it certainly used to be as they have a public service remit to show educational programmes or did that change?

grumbledoak

32,571 posts

263 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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Auntie Beeb is past repair. They should just privatise it wholesale.

chris watton

22,547 posts

290 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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Sheets Tabuer said:
I always though C4 was funded by us, it certainly used to be as they have a public service remit to show educational programmes or did that change?
I don't know! I always thought it was a commercial channel - is that also funded by us? confused

alangla

6,765 posts

211 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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It's publicly owned, but largely self-funded through ad revenue etc. Its Wikipedia page explains it reasonably well

Thudd

3,100 posts

237 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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It's always been like this. I remember it being like this when I was a student during the recession of the early '90s.

I think it's healthy to have a dissenting voice against the Govt, so I have no problem with the BBC being left wing during a Tory govt. However, when Labour are in power they feel like Soviet State Television. This is not healthy, imo.

emicen

9,242 posts

248 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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Sheets Tabuer said:
I always though C4 was funded by us, it certainly used to be as they have a public service remit to show educational programmes or did that change?
The government certainly still has some say in it. Why else would every other episode of Dispatches be an attack on the banking sector...?

supersingle

3,205 posts

249 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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If you don't like it, stop paying the licence fee.

If enough people do it the BBC will wither and die and I'll be able to dance on it's grave. wink

Don

28,378 posts

314 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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musclecarmad said:
get rid of the bbc
No. The BBC is a wonderful idea. Its current implementation has to go, though. Personally I'd get rid of the "licence fee" and fund it from general taxation but this does have "independence" downsides...

F i F

Original Poster:

48,837 posts

281 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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Don said:
Personally I'd get rid of the "licence fee" and fund it from general taxation but this does have "independence" downsides...
Correct, as discussed on another thread, with the vast increase in ways people can watch terrestial TV using kit which is outside the normal sort of stuff monitored (sorry) by TV licensing I think the license fee has to go.

You can now watch live TV on computers, various boxes, phones, blimey even that bastion of correctitude Volvo are about to start selling a vehicle in which you have kit that you can watch broadcast TV live as standard.

So aboloshing the licence fee you'd save all that enforcement malarkey, at goodness knows what saving. Way things are with most Govt departments you might even come out ahead. Previous statement utterly prejudiced and without any basis on facts, pure speculation. Anyone know costs of TV licensing vs income from fees? Has it got as bad as the dog licence yet?

mrmr96

13,736 posts

234 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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TVR Moneypit said:
supersingle said:
If you don't like it, stop paying the licence fee.

If enough people do it the BBC will wither and die and I'll be able to dance on it's grave. wink
Is it legally possable to do that if you own a TV, (or several), and watch BBC channels from time to time, (F1, HIGNFU, and Top Gear mainly).
No. If you own equipment which is capable of recieving TV then you need a TV license.

Bing o

15,184 posts

249 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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mrmr96 said:
TVR Moneypit said:
supersingle said:
If you don't like it, stop paying the licence fee.

If enough people do it the BBC will wither and die and I'll be able to dance on it's grave. wink
Is it legally possable to do that if you own a TV, (or several), and watch BBC channels from time to time, (F1, HIGNFU, and Top Gear mainly).
No. If you own equipment which is capable of recieving TV then you need a TV license.
Unless you can prove that you never watch BBC programs or listen to BBC Radio.

eldar

25,292 posts

226 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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mrmr96 said:
TVR Moneypit said:
supersingle said:
If you don't like it, stop paying the licence fee.

If enough people do it the BBC will wither and die and I'll be able to dance on it's grave. wink
Is it legally possable to do that if you own a TV, (or several), and watch BBC channels from time to time, (F1, HIGNFU, and Top Gear mainly).
No. If you own equipment which is capable of recieving TV then you need a TV license.
Technically yes. No TV's or PCs (or mobile phones) capable of recieving LIVe tv. Watch stuff on Iplayer no licence needed.

Which illustrated how daft the licence fee is.

theaxe

3,571 posts

252 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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TVR Moneypit said:
supersingle said:
If you don't like it, stop paying the licence fee.

If enough people do it the BBC will wither and die and I'll be able to dance on it's grave. wink
Is it legally possable to do that if you own a TV, (or several), and watch BBC channels from time to time, (F1, HIGNFU, and Top Gear mainly).
You could ditch the TV and watch TG (and maybe others) legally via iTunes.

tank slapper

7,949 posts

313 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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eldar said:
mrmr96 said:
No. If you own equipment which is capable of recieving TV then you need a TV license.
Technically yes. No TV's or PCs (or mobile phones) capable of recieving LIVe tv. Watch stuff on Iplayer no licence needed.

Which illustrated how daft the licence fee is.
Capability has nothing to do with it. It is whether you actually do so or not that governs whether you need a licence or not, and it is a licence to receive any live TV broadcasts not just the BBC.

You can own as many TVs as you like, but if you never use any of them to watch live broadcasts you do not need a licence.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

234 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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tank slapper said:
eldar said:
mrmr96 said:
No. If you own equipment which is capable of recieving TV then you need a TV license.
Technically yes. No TV's or PCs (or mobile phones) capable of recieving LIVe tv. Watch stuff on Iplayer no licence needed.

Which illustrated how daft the licence fee is.
Capability has nothing to do with it. It is whether you actually do so or not that governs whether you need a licence or not, and it is a licence to receive any live TV broadcasts not just the BBC.

You can own as many TVs as you like, but if you never use any of them to watch live broadcasts you do not need a licence.
Oh, what I was told at Uni was wrong then. I had thought it was capability. On the back of your comment I went and checked. Turns out you're right.
Per here:
http://www.tvlicensing.co.uk/check-if-you-need-one...
TV Licencing said:
You need to be covered by a valid TV Licence if you watch or record TV as it's being broadcast. This includes the use of devices such as a computer, laptop, mobile phone or DVD/video recorder.

emicen

9,242 posts

248 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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Are we seriously going to do the licence fee debate a mere 2 days after the last 6 page effort?

dodgyviper

1,214 posts

268 months

Monday 21st June 2010
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Hence why its ok to watch via bbc iplayer or similar - the broadcasts aren't live and so are perfectly ligit' to watch.

Crazy huh!