I'm already sick of...

[Martin Keene]

The Public Sector bhing about their pay freeze.

Hello, and welcome to the real world!

I haven't had a pay rise for 18 months and for the last 6 months of 2009 I had a pay cut of 10%. This is because we have been in a recession and therefore need to cut costs to match the reduced sales and whilst it was hard it was also necessary to keep as many people in work as possible.

Reality has now caught up with you and you'll have to pay for the pay rises you had whilst we were suffering.

Ts...

[Bing o]

I've had a 40% rise, what's all the fuss about?

[Fun Bus]

Martin Keene said:

Reality has now caught up with you and you'll have to pay for the pay rises you had whilst we were suffering.

They've had it too good for too long. Too many non-jobs being created aswell. Oh, don't forget the pensions - better than some people could dream of. I'm off out on Saturday night with friends and one of them is a teacher - should be interesting should the budget conversation come up.

Edited twice because I'm a numpty.

Edited by Fun Bus on Wednesday 23 June 20:22

Edited by Fun Bus on Wednesday 23 June 20:23

[rhinochopig]

I'm not public sector, but I'll offer the same view trotted out when the bankers were defended for royally fking up. Many many public sector workers are employed on the basis of an annual spine point increase if they do what is asked of them. Personally I'd rather those that can stayed because they were suitably remunerated, rather than driving the good eggs back into the private sector, leaving the flabby fkwits cruising until retirement.

I can thus sympathise with them somewhat.

[miniman]

rhinochopig said:

I can thus sympathise with them somewhat.

Having worked with many highly paid public sector employees with non-jobs who wouldn't last five minutes in the private sector squandering money left right and centre I, conversely, cannot.

[Heathwood]

Lean the entire public sector, offloading the slackers, whilst rewarding the grafters. It'll take many years but will pay dividends in the long run.

[rhinochopig]

miniman said:

rhinochopig said:

I can thus sympathise with them somewhat.

Having worked with many highly paid public sector employees with non-jobs who wouldn't last five minutes in the private sector squandering money left right and centre I, conversely, cannot.

And, conversely, I've worked with PSWs who are in the top percentile of the market sector in which they operate in.

[miniman]

rhinochopig said:

miniman said:

rhinochopig said:

I can thus sympathise with them somewhat.

Having worked with many highly paid public sector employees with non-jobs who wouldn't last five minutes in the private sector squandering money left right and centre I, conversely, cannot.

And, conversely, I've worked with PSWs who are in the top percentile of the market sector in which they operate in.

Undoubtedly, however you're not really suggesting that such quality folks are In the majority, are you?

[Martin Keene]

Heathwood said:

Lean the entire public sector, offloading the slackers, whilst rewarding the grafters. It'll take many years but will pay dividends in the long run.

Indeed. I've worked with cost and cost reduction in manufacturing for a long time, and I'd wager that some of the people I've worked with over the years and me could decimate the waste in the public sector.

[rhinochopig]

miniman said:

rhinochopig said:

miniman said:

rhinochopig said:

I can thus sympathise with them somewhat.

Having worked with many highly paid public sector employees with non-jobs who wouldn't last five minutes in the private sector squandering money left right and centre I, conversely, cannot.

And, conversely, I've worked with PSWs who are in the top percentile of the market sector in which they operate in.

Undoubtedly, however you're not really suggesting that such quality folks are In the majority, are you?

It depends. If you take the very high salaries, then I would say the majority are worth their money IME - based on my experience of NHS and High Hazard industry regulation. Undoubtedly these folk are at least a match for your high earners within the private sector.

That said, of course I've come across utter numpties, but then, again IME, these folk earn an average salary; certainly no greater than an equivalent PS salary.

[Randy Winkman]

Heathwood said:

Lean the entire public sector, offloading the slackers, whilst rewarding the grafters. It'll take many years but will pay dividends in the long run.

It'll take any years? It'll never happen, more like. If the pay/conditions are worse, the best people will leave or not join in the first place.

[Munter]

Randy Winkman said:

Heathwood said:

Lean the entire public sector, offloading the slackers, whilst rewarding the grafters. It'll take many years but will pay dividends in the long run.

It'll take any years? It'll never happen, more like. If the pay/conditions are worse, the best people will leave or not join in the first place.

I think the words we're looking for are Performance Related Pay.

[Randy Winkman]

Munter said:

Randy Winkman said:

Heathwood said:

Lean the entire public sector, offloading the slackers, whilst rewarding the grafters. It'll take many years but will pay dividends in the long run.

It'll take any years? It'll never happen, more like. If the pay/conditions are worse, the best people will leave or not join in the first place.

I think the words we're looking for are Performance Related Pay.

"Bonuses" in Daily Mail speak.

[Pesty]

Anyone see that daft bint on Channel 4 news

I didnt get into teaching for the money but its not fair blah blah

I will have to really budget and no anual holidays for teh next few years.

At the start of the interview they said she would be £111 a year worse off.


No children and she could have a partner who also works she earned £31k a year.

Yeah its going to be really difficult for you love I feel for you.

[paddyhasneeds]

Anyone see the thing on BBC News 24 with the Dave and Nick being asked questions by Nic Robinson and a studio audience?

They had a Scottish female firefighter complaining that the public sector pay freeze meant a real-terms pay cut because of inflation.

I was rather pleased when Cameron told her, quite bluntly, yes it is, but we're in the st so you all do your bit or some of you go.

[Scraggles]

no pay rise last year, I might get one this year or might not

my pension is one that I have to pay towards, and not a final salary as loved by the public workers, who now have to share with everyone else the pain of nu-labia's fkups

[Westy Pre-Lit]

Pay rise...whats that then?

They want to try a pay cut of 20%

[johnfm]

Why don't those complaining look for another job on a higher salary. Sure, it isn't easy but there are lots of jobs out there for the right people. Or is whinging easier ?

[Ikemi]

^Dons a flameproof suit*

I work in the public sector However I'm not particularly bothered about the freeze in pay increases and I understand the reasons behind the decision. Not all public sector workers are high paid jobworths, or complaining to the extent you describe ... The media will always find someone with the loudness, most uninformed voice!

I will be looking to move to the private sector soon, as my skills are valued more in corporations. So in terms of cash, private sector is the way to go! The job security in this climate is nice and the pension is outstanding, but I'm 24 years old and I'm driven to better myself and my career - The public sector will not provide what I need in the future!

[Martin Keene]

Pesty said:

Anyone see that daft bint on Channel 4 news

I didnt get into teaching for the money but its not fair blah blah

I will have to really budget and no anual holidays for teh next few years.

At the start of the interview they said she would be £111 a year worse off.


No children and she could have a partner who also works she earned £31k a year.

Yeah its going to be really difficult for you love I feel for you.

I did. That's partly what prompted the rant. May heart bleeds for her. Not...

Westy Pre-Lit said:

Pay rise...whats that then?

They want to try a pay cut of 20%

Ouch. I thought mine was bad... That said I haven't calculated the impact of the lack of bonus. Firstly, because it is exactly that, a bonus, and secondly it's too depressing...



ETA: Some dodgy quoting.

Edited by Martin Keene on Wednesday 23 June 23:05