I don't know if this is a bit 'Daily Mail'....
Discussion
..but I'm not quite sure what to make of this story.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religio...
The article said:
On two occasions last week my dog was barred from London buses, not because she's particularly fierce or big, but on religious grounds. A friend and I had taken her to the park, and as I went across to the grocer, my friend took Daisy, a Manchester terrier, to the bus stop.
As they tried to board the bus, the driver stopped her and told her that there was a Muslim lady on the bus who "might be upset by the dog". As she attempted to remonstrate, the doors closed and the bus drew away.
When a second bus arrived, she again made to embark, but was stopped again – this time because the driver said he was Muslim. I know that Muslims consider dogs to be unclean, but last time I looked this wasn't a Muslim country and London Transport was a non-denominational organisation.
I'm a Catholic, but I'm hardly likely to start insisting that no divorced people should be allowed on my bus. I have no intention of causing upset with my dog and I wouldn't allow her to brush against anyone who was at pains to avoid her. None the less, I instinctively cavil at this creeping intolerance, masquerading as pious devotion, whatever its origins.
Is this not discrimination? If dogs are allowed on buses in the UK, then whether or not there is a muslim driver or passenger is irrelevant, surely?As they tried to board the bus, the driver stopped her and told her that there was a Muslim lady on the bus who "might be upset by the dog". As she attempted to remonstrate, the doors closed and the bus drew away.
When a second bus arrived, she again made to embark, but was stopped again – this time because the driver said he was Muslim. I know that Muslims consider dogs to be unclean, but last time I looked this wasn't a Muslim country and London Transport was a non-denominational organisation.
I'm a Catholic, but I'm hardly likely to start insisting that no divorced people should be allowed on my bus. I have no intention of causing upset with my dog and I wouldn't allow her to brush against anyone who was at pains to avoid her. None the less, I instinctively cavil at this creeping intolerance, masquerading as pious devotion, whatever its origins.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religio...
Edited by Funk on Thursday 24th June 10:01
Funk said:
..but I'm not quite sure what to make of this story.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religio...
Nah, If it had been the Daily Mail the headline would have beenThe article said:
On two occasions last week my dog was barred from London buses, not because she's particularly fierce or big, but on religious grounds. A friend and I had taken her to the park, and as I went across to the grocer, my friend took Daisy, a Manchester terrier, to the bus stop.
As they tried to board the bus, the driver stopped her and told her that there was a Muslim lady on the bus who "might be upset by the dog". As she attempted to remonstrate, the doors closed and the bus drew away.
When a second bus arrived, she again made to embark, but was stopped again – this time because the driver said he was Muslim. I know that Muslims consider dogs to be unclean, but last time I looked this wasn't a Muslim country and London Transport was a non-denominational organisation.
I'm a Catholic, but I'm hardly likely to start insisting that no divorced people should be allowed on my bus. I have no intention of causing upset with my dog and I wouldn't allow her to brush against anyone who was at pains to avoid her. None the less, I instinctively cavil at this creeping intolerance, masquerading as pious devotion, whatever its origins.
Is this not discrimination? If dogs are allowed on buses in the UK, then whether or not there is a muslim driver or passenger is irrelevant, surely?As they tried to board the bus, the driver stopped her and told her that there was a Muslim lady on the bus who "might be upset by the dog". As she attempted to remonstrate, the doors closed and the bus drew away.
When a second bus arrived, she again made to embark, but was stopped again – this time because the driver said he was Muslim. I know that Muslims consider dogs to be unclean, but last time I looked this wasn't a Muslim country and London Transport was a non-denominational organisation.
I'm a Catholic, but I'm hardly likely to start insisting that no divorced people should be allowed on my bus. I have no intention of causing upset with my dog and I wouldn't allow her to brush against anyone who was at pains to avoid her. None the less, I instinctively cavil at this creeping intolerance, masquerading as pious devotion, whatever its origins.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religio...
Edited by Funk on Thursday 24th June 10:01
"Muslims object to blind people using busses"
Either way though, if it's true, then its entirely unacceptable
Kind of makes me want to take my Ridgeback for a bus journey.....
I've been refused access to a bus (in Northern Ireland) on the grounds that the company rules say dogs must be muzzled, and he wasn't. Annoying but understandable - buses are a bit tight for big dogs.
I regularly travel by train with my dog and have never experienced anything like this. But if I do, I'll be sure to let PH know!
I've been refused access to a bus (in Northern Ireland) on the grounds that the company rules say dogs must be muzzled, and he wasn't. Annoying but understandable - buses are a bit tight for big dogs.
I regularly travel by train with my dog and have never experienced anything like this. But if I do, I'll be sure to let PH know!
rhinochopig said:
Perhaps it was a pig in a dog costume.
This would make sense, judging by recent events I think costumes are considered unclean as well.ETA: I actually thought dogs (blind excepted) were not allowed on a bus anyway, just I don't recall ever seeing one.
And spalling
Edited by Colin 1985 on Thursday 24th June 13:31
ln1234 said:
TheEnd said:
Sounds like BS, especially the driver saying "can't get on, there's a Muslim in the back"
Seems like nowadays you can make anything up, and the 'Burn her, Burn her' brigade come out in full force.
It reminds me of this story
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1281019/Dr...
from.. let's see..
ah yes, that Daily Mail again...
and it turns out..
http://leondaniels.blogspot.com/2010/05/england-t-...
no driver fitting the description, no witnesses, and those that do claim to have seen it get the day wrong.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1281019/Dr...
from.. let's see..
ah yes, that Daily Mail again...
and it turns out..
http://leondaniels.blogspot.com/2010/05/england-t-...
no driver fitting the description, no witnesses, and those that do claim to have seen it get the day wrong.
zollburgers said:
ln1234 said:
TheEnd said:
Sounds like BS, especially the driver saying "can't get on, there's a Muslim in the back"
Seems like nowadays you can make anything up, and the 'Burn her, Burn her' brigade come out in full force.
Nicholas Blair said:
Asterix said:
I had to look up 'cavil' - not a word I was familiar with.
Anyway - does sound daft, what if it was a guide dog?
Good point,but I've never seen a blind muslim with a guide guide.Anyway - does sound daft, what if it was a guide dog?
Nicholas Blair said:
Asterix said:
I had to look up 'cavil' - not a word I was familiar with.
Anyway - does sound daft, what if it was a guide dog?
Good point,but I've never seen a blind muslim with a guide guide.Anyway - does sound daft, what if it was a guide dog?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/leicestershire/...
i dont know any muslim that would have a problem with guide dogs...
i hate the critters - bitten three times when i was a kid
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