Ex-MI5 boss says Iraq war raised terror threat
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"The invasion of Iraq "substantially" increased the terrorist threat to the UK, the former head of MI5 has said.
Giving evidence to the Iraq inquiry, Baroness Manningham-Buller said the action "radicalised" a generation of young people, including UK citizens.
As a result, she said she was not "surprised" that UK nationals were involved in the 7/7 bombings in London.
She said she believed the intelligence on Iraq's threat was not "substantial enough" to justify the action."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10693001
So no WMD and it increased the risk to the public. Anyone want to defend the Iraq was now?
If the Iraq conflict has put the general public at greater risk then the same can be said for Afghanistan.
Giving evidence to the Iraq inquiry, Baroness Manningham-Buller said the action "radicalised" a generation of young people, including UK citizens.
As a result, she said she was not "surprised" that UK nationals were involved in the 7/7 bombings in London.
She said she believed the intelligence on Iraq's threat was not "substantial enough" to justify the action."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-10693001
So no WMD and it increased the risk to the public. Anyone want to defend the Iraq was now?
If the Iraq conflict has put the general public at greater risk then the same can be said for Afghanistan.
OnTheOverrun said:
He'll be telling us next that declaring war on Germany in 1939 incresed the chances of a Heinkel bombing my grandad's shed! 
Too right.Then there was the business of the way Saddam treated his subjects. And the potential Nuclear build-up between Iran and Iraq. We'll never know about that last one.
The intelligence was manipulated by the elected government and not faulty, or an error on the part of the intelligence services.
Clearly MI5 will have had a view, but it is important to remember that their view is not specifically of the world, since their duty is to protect interests at home.
If this is a criticism of the Iraq war, then had come from MI6 then the view would have been more credible.
peterpeter said:
ringram said:
Does that even count as news?
Comes from the front page of the "No s
t sherlock" manual on the blinding obvious.[/quote
Im sure Muntu, Jimbeaux et al can give you pages and pages of great reasons for the Iraq War and why it was such a brilliant plan.
Comes from the front page of the "No s
t sherlock" manual on the blinding obvious.[/quoteIm sure Muntu, Jimbeaux et al can give you pages and pages of great reasons for the Iraq War and why it was such a brilliant plan.
Jimbeaux said:
Because it pisses you off is my favorite one.
Edited by Jimbeaux on Tuesday 20th July 15:47
Come now chaps, lets not turn this into a pantomime thread 
Yes, its pretty bloody obvious to most of us that what Manningham-Buller said is bang on the money, but it doesn't change the fact that its nice to hear it being said at the inquiry.
She speaks sense, something Tony and co couldn't do at the time.
Her testimony should be seen for what it is, a damning indictment of the UK's handling of the "threat" of Islamic terror. Her testimony vindicates what many of us thought all along, that our "handling" of Islamic terror was more a stoking of Islamic terror.
We got pulled along on the coat tails of the US and the actions of our respective governments gave home grown nutters a reason to attack us, and gave BinLaden the Iraqi Jihad.
It's just a shame that NonDomTony will probably never be brought to book over this decidedly dark period in our recent history.
Yes, its pretty bloody obvious to most of us that what Manningham-Buller said is bang on the money, but it doesn't change the fact that its nice to hear it being said at the inquiry.
She speaks sense, something Tony and co couldn't do at the time.
Her testimony should be seen for what it is, a damning indictment of the UK's handling of the "threat" of Islamic terror. Her testimony vindicates what many of us thought all along, that our "handling" of Islamic terror was more a stoking of Islamic terror.
We got pulled along on the coat tails of the US and the actions of our respective governments gave home grown nutters a reason to attack us, and gave BinLaden the Iraqi Jihad.
It's just a shame that NonDomTony will probably never be brought to book over this decidedly dark period in our recent history.
Edited by Marf on Tuesday 20th July 16:38
Marf said:
Come now chaps, lets not turn this into a pantomime thread
Yes, its pretty bloody obvious to most of us that what Manningham-Buller said is bang on the money, but it doesn't change the fact that its nice to hear it being said at the inquiry.
She speaks sense, something Tony and co couldn't do at the time.
Her testimony should be seen for what it is, a damning indictment of the UK's handling of the "threat" of Islamic terror. Her testimony vindicates what many of us thought all along, that our "handling" of Islamic terror was more a stoking of Islamic terror.
We got pulled along on the coat tails of the US and the actions of our respective governments gave home grown nutters a reason to attack us, and gave BinLaden the Iraqi Jihad.
It's just a shame that NonDomTony will probably never be brought to book over this decidedly dark period in our recent history.
exactly. ..Thoughts Jim ?Yes, its pretty bloody obvious to most of us that what Manningham-Buller said is bang on the money, but it doesn't change the fact that its nice to hear it being said at the inquiry.
She speaks sense, something Tony and co couldn't do at the time.
Her testimony should be seen for what it is, a damning indictment of the UK's handling of the "threat" of Islamic terror. Her testimony vindicates what many of us thought all along, that our "handling" of Islamic terror was more a stoking of Islamic terror.
We got pulled along on the coat tails of the US and the actions of our respective governments gave home grown nutters a reason to attack us, and gave BinLaden the Iraqi Jihad.
It's just a shame that NonDomTony will probably never be brought to book over this decidedly dark period in our recent history.
Edited by Marf on Tuesday 20th July 16:38
Jimbeaux said:
peterpeter said:
ringram said:
Does that even count as news?
Comes from the front page of the "No st sherlock" manual on the blinding obvious.
Im sure Muntu, Jimbeaux et al can give you pages and pages of great reasons for the Iraq War and why it was such a brilliant plan.Comes from the front page of the "No s
t sherlock" manual on the blinding obvious.
peterpeter said:
Marf said:
Come now chaps, lets not turn this into a pantomime thread
Yes, its pretty bloody obvious to most of us that what Manningham-Buller said is bang on the money, but it doesn't change the fact that its nice to hear it being said at the inquiry.
She speaks sense, something Tony and co couldn't do at the time.
Her testimony should be seen for what it is, a damning indictment of the UK's handling of the "threat" of Islamic terror. Her testimony vindicates what many of us thought all along, that our "handling" of Islamic terror was more a stoking of Islamic terror.
We got pulled along on the coat tails of the US and the actions of our respective governments gave home grown nutters a reason to attack us, and gave BinLaden the Iraqi Jihad.
It's just a shame that NonDomTony will probably never be brought to book over this decidedly dark period in our recent history.
exactly. ..Thoughts Jim ?Yes, its pretty bloody obvious to most of us that what Manningham-Buller said is bang on the money, but it doesn't change the fact that its nice to hear it being said at the inquiry.
She speaks sense, something Tony and co couldn't do at the time.
Her testimony should be seen for what it is, a damning indictment of the UK's handling of the "threat" of Islamic terror. Her testimony vindicates what many of us thought all along, that our "handling" of Islamic terror was more a stoking of Islamic terror.
We got pulled along on the coat tails of the US and the actions of our respective governments gave home grown nutters a reason to attack us, and gave BinLaden the Iraqi Jihad.
It's just a shame that NonDomTony will probably never be brought to book over this decidedly dark period in our recent history.
Edited by Marf on Tuesday 20th July 16:38
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 22 July 02:02
Jimbeaux said:
peterpeter said:
Marf said:
Come now chaps, lets not turn this into a pantomime thread
Yes, its pretty bloody obvious to most of us that what Manningham-Buller said is bang on the money, but it doesn't change the fact that its nice to hear it being said at the inquiry.
She speaks sense, something Tony and co couldn't do at the time.
Her testimony should be seen for what it is, a damning indictment of the UK's handling of the "threat" of Islamic terror. Her testimony vindicates what many of us thought all along, that our "handling" of Islamic terror was more a stoking of Islamic terror.
We got pulled along on the coat tails of the US and the actions of our respective governments gave home grown nutters a reason to attack us, and gave BinLaden the Iraqi Jihad.
It's just a shame that NonDomTony will probably never be brought to book over this decidedly dark period in our recent history.
exactly. ..Thoughts Jim ?Yes, its pretty bloody obvious to most of us that what Manningham-Buller said is bang on the money, but it doesn't change the fact that its nice to hear it being said at the inquiry.
She speaks sense, something Tony and co couldn't do at the time.
Her testimony should be seen for what it is, a damning indictment of the UK's handling of the "threat" of Islamic terror. Her testimony vindicates what many of us thought all along, that our "handling" of Islamic terror was more a stoking of Islamic terror.
We got pulled along on the coat tails of the US and the actions of our respective governments gave home grown nutters a reason to attack us, and gave BinLaden the Iraqi Jihad.
It's just a shame that NonDomTony will probably never be brought to book over this decidedly dark period in our recent history.
Edited by Marf on Tuesday 20th July 16:38
Ok, what do you think about the MI5 boss comments?
Come on you usually have so much to say- you are strangely muted on this thread.
Try to convince us that she is not qualified to make those comments perhaps?
Jimbeaux said:
What comes to mind is less that we incited the homegrown nutters and more of why such people are allowed to flourish and practice their hatemonging in the first place. Those types will always find a reason to manifest their hate.
But Jim is it not tempting to take the reasoning just a step further and wonder why those people hate the West. It's not something without cause you know. peterpeter said:
Jimbeaux said:
peterpeter said:
Marf said:
Come now chaps, lets not turn this into a pantomime thread
Yes, its pretty bloody obvious to most of us that what Manningham-Buller said is bang on the money, but it doesn't change the fact that its nice to hear it being said at the inquiry.
She speaks sense, something Tony and co couldn't do at the time.
Her testimony should be seen for what it is, a damning indictment of the UK's handling of the "threat" of Islamic terror. Her testimony vindicates what many of us thought all along, that our "handling" of Islamic terror was more a stoking of Islamic terror.
We got pulled along on the coat tails of the US and the actions of our respective governments gave home grown nutters a reason to attack us, and gave BinLaden the Iraqi Jihad.
It's just a shame that NonDomTony will probably never be brought to book over this decidedly dark period in our recent history.
exactly. ..Thoughts Jim ?Yes, its pretty bloody obvious to most of us that what Manningham-Buller said is bang on the money, but it doesn't change the fact that its nice to hear it being said at the inquiry.
She speaks sense, something Tony and co couldn't do at the time.
Her testimony should be seen for what it is, a damning indictment of the UK's handling of the "threat" of Islamic terror. Her testimony vindicates what many of us thought all along, that our "handling" of Islamic terror was more a stoking of Islamic terror.
We got pulled along on the coat tails of the US and the actions of our respective governments gave home grown nutters a reason to attack us, and gave BinLaden the Iraqi Jihad.
It's just a shame that NonDomTony will probably never be brought to book over this decidedly dark period in our recent history.
Edited by Marf on Tuesday 20th July 16:38
Ok, what do you think about the MI5 boss comments?
Come on you usually have so much to say- you are strangely muted on this thread.
Try to convince us that she is not qualified to make those comments perhaps?
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 22 July 02:09
Timmy35 said:
Jimbeaux said:
What comes to mind is less that we incited the homegrown nutters and more of why such people are allowed to flourish and practice their hatemonging in the first place. Those types will always find a reason to manifest their hate.
But Jim is it not tempting to take the reasoning just a step further and wonder why those people hate the West. It's not something without cause you know. 
dilbert said:
If this is a criticism of the Iraq war, then had come from MI6 then the view would have been more credible.
It's not any less 'credible' because if comes from MI5 instead of MI6. It would be less credible if it came from a swampy or a politican geting his intel from the agency (like in the build up to war) someone with bias as opposed to direct from the intel agency itself.Jimbeaux said:
peterpeter said:
Marf said:
Come now chaps, lets not turn this into a pantomime thread
Yes, its pretty bloody obvious to most of us that what Manningham-Buller said is bang on the money, but it doesn't change the fact that its nice to hear it being said at the inquiry.
She speaks sense, something Tony and co couldn't do at the time.
Her testimony should be seen for what it is, a damning indictment of the UK's handling of the "threat" of Islamic terror. Her testimony vindicates what many of us thought all along, that our "handling" of Islamic terror was more a stoking of Islamic terror.
We got pulled along on the coat tails of the US and the actions of our respective governments gave home grown nutters a reason to attack us, and gave BinLaden the Iraqi Jihad.
It's just a shame that NonDomTony will probably never be brought to book over this decidedly dark period in our recent history.
exactly. ..Thoughts Jim ?Yes, its pretty bloody obvious to most of us that what Manningham-Buller said is bang on the money, but it doesn't change the fact that its nice to hear it being said at the inquiry.
She speaks sense, something Tony and co couldn't do at the time.
Her testimony should be seen for what it is, a damning indictment of the UK's handling of the "threat" of Islamic terror. Her testimony vindicates what many of us thought all along, that our "handling" of Islamic terror was more a stoking of Islamic terror.
We got pulled along on the coat tails of the US and the actions of our respective governments gave home grown nutters a reason to attack us, and gave BinLaden the Iraqi Jihad.
It's just a shame that NonDomTony will probably never be brought to book over this decidedly dark period in our recent history.
Edited by Marf on Tuesday 20th July 16:38
Edited by Jimbeaux on Thursday 22 July 02:02
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