Britons to be spied on by foreign police
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Telegraph
Telegraph said:
Britons face being spied on and pursued by foreign police officers even for the most minor offences in an European agreement the Home Office will sign up to tomorrow.
The power allows prosecutors from any EU country to demand details such as DNA or even bank and phone records on anyone they suspect of a crime.
Officers in the UK would be almost powerless to refuse the request even if they believed it was disproportionate to the alleged offence being investigated.
They could also be told to carry out investigations and live surveillance for their EU counterparts, despite already stretched resources.
Theresa May, the Home Secretary, will today announce she plans to sign up to the so-called European Investigation Order (EIO), The Daily Telegraph understands.
It comes despite concerns by fair trial campaigners and has angered backbench Tories.
It raises the prospect of personal details of individuals being passed on without their knowledge in the most minor of cases, such as leaving a restaurant without paying. (continues)
The power allows prosecutors from any EU country to demand details such as DNA or even bank and phone records on anyone they suspect of a crime.
Officers in the UK would be almost powerless to refuse the request even if they believed it was disproportionate to the alleged offence being investigated.
They could also be told to carry out investigations and live surveillance for their EU counterparts, despite already stretched resources.
Theresa May, the Home Secretary, will today announce she plans to sign up to the so-called European Investigation Order (EIO), The Daily Telegraph understands.
It comes despite concerns by fair trial campaigners and has angered backbench Tories.
It raises the prospect of personal details of individuals being passed on without their knowledge in the most minor of cases, such as leaving a restaurant without paying. (continues)
No doubt people will be along to say "if you've nothing to fear" and so on.
Personally, I'd just like the Europeans to f
k off.
My point really is that I don't feel comfortable about my own government screwing it's subjects over. At least if it does, I'm familiar with the size of the beast and feel that there is a historical precedent for action.
With Europe, I'm not even entirely sure where I should send the letter bomb, let alone the size or level of corruption within the core of the parasite.
Again, I'd just like the Europeans to fk off.
Personally, I'd just like the Europeans to f
k off.My point really is that I don't feel comfortable about my own government screwing it's subjects over. At least if it does, I'm familiar with the size of the beast and feel that there is a historical precedent for action.
With Europe, I'm not even entirely sure where I should send the letter bomb, let alone the size or level of corruption within the core of the parasite.
Again, I'd just like the Europeans to f
k off.Edited by dilbert on Monday 26th July 11:51
Eric Mc said:
Imagine if the headline had said -
"New Policy Ensures Closer Co-operation between European Police Forces - improves National Security".
It's not closer co-operation though is it..."New Policy Ensures Closer Co-operation between European Police Forces - improves National Security".
It's giving foreign police forces powers of authority in our country.
That's not right imo.
You're all a bit late picking up on this, the libertarian 
coalition, have been hard at it already......once all the laws are "alighned" what comes next do you think ???
EU changes to UK firearms legislation 2010
The Firearms (Amendment) Regulations 2010 will come into effect on the 28th July 2010. The effect of the regulations is - on this date - to raise the age at which people in England, Wales and Scotland may purchase or hire firearms or ammunition from the current 17 years of age to 18. There are also changes to the exemptions for lending and borrowing firearms regarding adult supervision of under 18's. There are also changes to Northern Ireland legislation.
The regulations stem from the European Weapons Directive 1991 as amended in 2008. The UK are obliged to adopt changes within two years of any new Directive being passed.
There are other areas which will be affected by the directive such as Firearms Dealer’s registers, blank firing imitation firearms and deactivated firearms, but these will not come into effect for some time yet and are NOT implemented by this latest amendment legislation.
Small cuts, always small cuts at the block of statehood......they are just the same as the last lot, screwing the country with an eye to the european trough later....
coalition, have been hard at it already......once all the laws are "alighned" what comes next do you think ???EU changes to UK firearms legislation 2010
The Firearms (Amendment) Regulations 2010 will come into effect on the 28th July 2010. The effect of the regulations is - on this date - to raise the age at which people in England, Wales and Scotland may purchase or hire firearms or ammunition from the current 17 years of age to 18. There are also changes to the exemptions for lending and borrowing firearms regarding adult supervision of under 18's. There are also changes to Northern Ireland legislation.
The regulations stem from the European Weapons Directive 1991 as amended in 2008. The UK are obliged to adopt changes within two years of any new Directive being passed.
There are other areas which will be affected by the directive such as Firearms Dealer’s registers, blank firing imitation firearms and deactivated firearms, but these will not come into effect for some time yet and are NOT implemented by this latest amendment legislation.
Small cuts, always small cuts at the block of statehood......they are just the same as the last lot, screwing the country with an eye to the european trough later....
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Eric Mc said:
Imagine if the headline had said -
"New Policy Ensures Closer Co-operation between European Police Forces - improves National Security".
It's not closer co-operation though is it..."New Policy Ensures Closer Co-operation between European Police Forces - improves National Security".
It's giving foreign police forces powers of authority in our country.
That's not right imo.
5unny said:
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Eric Mc said:
Imagine if the headline had said -
"New Policy Ensures Closer Co-operation between European Police Forces - improves National Security".
It's not closer co-operation though is it..."New Policy Ensures Closer Co-operation between European Police Forces - improves National Security".
It's giving foreign police forces powers of authority in our country.
That's not right imo.
The news item could just as easilly have been "British Police to receive more powers to Spy on Foreigners".
Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 26th July 12:22
Eric Mc said:
5unny said:
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Eric Mc said:
Imagine if the headline had said -
"New Policy Ensures Closer Co-operation between European Police Forces - improves National Security".
It's not closer co-operation though is it..."New Policy Ensures Closer Co-operation between European Police Forces - improves National Security".
It's giving foreign police forces powers of authority in our country.
That's not right imo.
The news item could just as easilly have been "British Police to receive more powers to Spy on Foreigners".
Edited by Eric Mc on Monday 26th July 12:22
With regards to 5unny's post. Yes, that is true....but judging by the one-sided relationship we seem to have with Europe at the moment, I think we'd be giving up a lot more than we'd be gaining.
I'd much rather we have better relations with the forces in the different countries and rely on those relations to get the criminals we want, rather than handing over power of authority to Foregin forces.
I just do not trust a single thing that Europe pushes through. Everything they've done so far seems to be a detriment to the UK imo (I could be wrong, but that's the impression I have been given from what I've read over the years). It's a slippery slope once you start going down it.
Edited by Spiritual_Beggar on Monday 26th July 12:29
Mojocvh said:
You're all a bit late picking up on this, the libertarian coalition, have been hard at it already......once all the laws are "alighned" what comes next do you think ???
EU changes to UK firearms legislation 2010
The Firearms (Amendment) Regulations 2010 will come into effect on the 28th July 2010. The effect of the regulations is - on this date - to raise the age at which people in England, Wales and Scotland may purchase or hire firearms or ammunition from the current 17 years of age to 18. There are also changes to the exemptions for lending and borrowing firearms regarding adult supervision of under 18's. There are also changes to Northern Ireland legislation.
The regulations stem from the European Weapons Directive 1991 as amended in 2008. The UK are obliged to adopt changes within two years of any new Directive being passed.
There are other areas which will be affected by the directive such as Firearms Dealer’s registers, blank firing imitation firearms and deactivated firearms, but these will not come into effect for some time yet and are NOT implemented by this latest amendment legislation.
Small cuts, always small cuts at the block of statehood......they are just the same as the last lot, screwing the country with an eye to the european trough later....
Will other Euro countries get the above firearms laws? coalition, have been hard at it already......once all the laws are "alighned" what comes next do you think ???EU changes to UK firearms legislation 2010
The Firearms (Amendment) Regulations 2010 will come into effect on the 28th July 2010. The effect of the regulations is - on this date - to raise the age at which people in England, Wales and Scotland may purchase or hire firearms or ammunition from the current 17 years of age to 18. There are also changes to the exemptions for lending and borrowing firearms regarding adult supervision of under 18's. There are also changes to Northern Ireland legislation.
The regulations stem from the European Weapons Directive 1991 as amended in 2008. The UK are obliged to adopt changes within two years of any new Directive being passed.
There are other areas which will be affected by the directive such as Firearms Dealer’s registers, blank firing imitation firearms and deactivated firearms, but these will not come into effect for some time yet and are NOT implemented by this latest amendment legislation.
Small cuts, always small cuts at the block of statehood......they are just the same as the last lot, screwing the country with an eye to the european trough later....
Or is it just a case of the UK selecting the most punitive/restrictive/draconian legislation from Euro law and applying it here whilst other states carry on as before?...
Eric Mc said:
The UK tends to implement EU legislation to a much higher degree than is sometimes necessary. That is a UK problem rather than an EU one.
This also is possibly true.It was expected under the Liarbour Party...afterall, they were the ones that stonewalled us into the EU in the first place.
Maybe it is foolish to expect the Condems to act any different. Afterall, the EU is a gravy train for these MP's.
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Eric Mc said:
The UK tends to implement EU legislation to a much higher degree than is sometimes necessary. That is a UK problem rather than an EU one.
This also is possibly true.It was expected under the Liarbour Party...afterall, they were the ones that stonewalled us into the EU in the first place.
Maybe it is foolish to expect the Condems to act any different. Afterall, the EU is a gravy train for these MP's.
The UK Civil Service absolutely LOVE EU directives.
Eric Mc said:
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Eric Mc said:
The UK tends to implement EU legislation to a much higher degree than is sometimes necessary. That is a UK problem rather than an EU one.
This also is possibly true.It was expected under the Liarbour Party...afterall, they were the ones that stonewalled us into the EU in the first place.
Maybe it is foolish to expect the Condems to act any different. Afterall, the EU is a gravy train for these MP's.
The UK Civil Service absolutely LOVE EU directives.
It removes that need for them to have to make decisions, for which they might be accountable and gives them a jobsworth type excuse to hide behind.
"Sorry you can't do that it against EU directive 12345"
EU directives sit right up there with "Health & Safety" as a cover all blanket suppression of common sense and progress.
Eric Mc said:
Spiritual_Beggar said:
Eric Mc said:
The UK tends to implement EU legislation to a much higher degree than is sometimes necessary. That is a UK problem rather than an EU one.
This also is possibly true.It was expected under the Liarbour Party...afterall, they were the ones that stonewalled us into the EU in the first place.
Maybe it is foolish to expect the Condems to act any different. Afterall, the EU is a gravy train for these MP's.
The UK Civil Service absolutely LOVE EU directives.
Plus, they are absolved of responsibility for any screwups, as they can just blame the EU.
It's been going on too long. This whole idea of Europe as one is unworkable imo, and constantly trying to go down this route is just going to cause problems.
Yes it has it's good points, i.e.: opening up market boarders etc, but there appear to be too many bad points that our weight the good.
All imo of course.
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