Got a BlackBerry? Avoid India and the UAE, then.
Got a BlackBerry? Avoid India and the UAE, then.
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CommanderJameson

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22,096 posts

256 months

Monday 2nd August 2010
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It seems that the half-decent encryption afforded users of RIM's BlackBerry products has got the gentle, caring governments in India, the UAE and China in a bit of a tizz. Turns out that they really don't like it when they can't read their citizens' email.

India and China are demanding that RIM install servers in their country (presumably with full access for the spooks), whilst the UAE are going further by having RIM suspend services in the Emirates.

A Government With Only The Best Interests Of Its People At Heart Honest Guv said:
In their current form, certain BlackBerry services allow users to act without any legal accountability, causing judicial, social and national security concerns for the U.A.E.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/BlackBerry-server-in-China-India-wants-a-monitoring-unit-too/articleshow/6230540.cms
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-01/blackberr...

Edited by CommanderJameson on Monday 2nd August 12:37

itsnotarace

4,685 posts

239 months

Monday 2nd August 2010
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Considering they tried to install remote monitoring software on people's handsets last year, it's not like they don't have a history of this

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8161190.stm


HarryW

16,038 posts

299 months

Monday 2nd August 2010
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Hence why Obama and his 'men in black' use them, for good measure they use a bit more encryption on top too. The UAE might as well ban skype too if tehy are worried about people doing things they can't keep full tabs on .................

Asterix

24,438 posts

258 months

Monday 2nd August 2010
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HarryW said:
Hence why Obama and his 'men in black' use them, for good measure they use a bit more encryption on top too. The UAE might as well ban skype too if tehy are worried about people doing things they can't keep full tabs on .................
Skype is banned and has been for a while - not so much for security but because 80% of the population are expats and want to communicate with their loved ones in their home country and Skype allows this for free. The state owned telecomms companies (the only telecomms allowed in the country) didn't like this one bit and demanded it banned.

Chilli

17,320 posts

266 months

Monday 2nd August 2010
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Asterix said:
HarryW said:
Hence why Obama and his 'men in black' use them, for good measure they use a bit more encryption on top too. The UAE might as well ban skype too if tehy are worried about people doing things they can't keep full tabs on .................
Skype is banned and has been for a while - not so much for security but because 80% of the population are expats and want to communicate with their loved ones in their home country and Skype allows this for free. The state owned telecomms companies (the only telecomms allowed in the country) didn't like this one bit and demanded it banned.
Someone in the office installed it onto my pc, and has used it. Should I be afraid?

Asterix

24,438 posts

258 months

Monday 2nd August 2010
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Chilli said:
Asterix said:
HarryW said:
Hence why Obama and his 'men in black' use them, for good measure they use a bit more encryption on top too. The UAE might as well ban skype too if tehy are worried about people doing things they can't keep full tabs on .................
Skype is banned and has been for a while - not so much for security but because 80% of the population are expats and want to communicate with their loved ones in their home country and Skype allows this for free. The state owned telecomms companies (the only telecomms allowed in the country) didn't like this one bit and demanded it banned.
Someone in the office installed it onto my pc, and has used it. Should I be afraid?
No - that's fine. You just can't access the Skype site to download the client software.

I always download the latest version to my laptop when I'm abroad and then update my Desktop when I get back. Same with the VPN stuff like HotSpot Shield etc..

5unny

4,395 posts

212 months

Monday 2nd August 2010
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What a brilliant piece of free publicity for RIM.

Nasty totalitarian Arab nations: 'ermm sorry these phones are too secure for our liking, now fk off'.





ln1234

848 posts

228 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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They kind of have a point though. They want to monitor mobile traffic to combat terrorism and other national security issues (just as the western world does), so it's right for them to request this. If you think that you live in a free land here and your calls aren't being monitored then think again.

Halb

53,012 posts

213 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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ln1234 said:
They kind of have a point though. They want to monitor mobile traffic to combat terrorism and other national security issues (just as the western world does), so it's right for them to request this. If you think that you live in a free land here and your calls aren't being monitored then think again.

NiceCupOfTea

25,595 posts

281 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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Fore!

SystemParanoia

14,343 posts

228 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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Halb said:
ln1234 said:
They kind of have a point though. They want to monitor mobile traffic to combat terrorism and other national security issues (just as the western world does), so it's right for them to request this. If you think that you live in a free land here and your calls aren't being monitored then think again.
Awesome... a buried Star destroyer!


Team 17

623 posts

220 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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5unny said:
What a brilliant piece of free publicity for RIM.

Nasty totalitarian Arab nations: 'ermm sorry these phones are too secure for our liking, now fk off'.
'Nasty totalitarian Arab nations'? U.A.E you mean? One Arab nation.

India (as well as Pakistan) is also in on this game, so wind in your neck when it comes to your prejudice against anything to do with Pakistan or Arab countries.

Edited by Team 17 on Tuesday 3rd August 11:45


Edited by Team 17 on Tuesday 3rd August 11:46

Bill

58,741 posts

285 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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ln1234 said:
They kind of have a point though. They want to monitor mobile traffic to combat terrorism and other national security issues (just as the western world does), so it's right for them to request this. If you think that you live in a free land here and your calls aren't being monitored then think again.
Last time I checked Blackberries were legal here...

eldritch

55 posts

233 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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SystemParanoia said:
Halb said:
ln1234 said:
They kind of have a point though. They want to monitor mobile traffic to combat terrorism and other national security issues (just as the western world does), so it's right for them to request this. If you think that you live in a free land here and your calls aren't being monitored then think again.
Awesome... a buried Star destroyer!

good spot!

neilr

1,588 posts

293 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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ln1234 said:
They kind of have a point though. They want to monitor mobile traffic to combat terrorism and other national security issues (just as the western world does), so it's right for them to request this. If you think that you live in a free land here and your calls aren't being monitored then think again.
Do you work for a government agency by any chance? It's never 'right' for government to snoop on their citizens. Private conversations are just that, the government isn't invited. As for the prevention of terror, don't make me laugh. You've no doubt 'got nothing to hide so you've nothing to fear' too.

Sorry for the harsh response, but governments monitoring its populations in this way is NEVER acceptable, lets face it it's not like the UK government hasn't tried is it.

Great free commercial for Blackberry though!



frosted

3,549 posts

207 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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So I take it that apple hasn't said no to such measures like rim did ?

DonkeyApple

70,267 posts

199 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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Halb said:
ln1234 said:
They kind of have a point though. They want to monitor mobile traffic to combat terrorism and other national security issues (just as the western world does), so it's right for them to request this. If you think that you live in a free land here and your calls aren't being monitored then think again.
FORE!!!

Edited by DonkeyApple on Tuesday 3rd August 16:19

dirkgently

2,160 posts

261 months

Tuesday 3rd August 2010
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DonkeyApple said:
Halb said:
ln1234 said:
They kind of have a point though. They want to monitor mobile traffic to combat terrorism and other national security issues (just as the western world does), so it's right for them to request this. If you think that you live in a free land here and your calls aren't being monitored then think again.
FORE!!!

Edited by DonkeyApple on Tuesday 3rd August 16:19
Keep up at the back.

DonkeyApple

70,267 posts

199 months

Wednesday 4th August 2010
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dirkgently said:
DonkeyApple said:
Halb said:
ln1234 said:
They kind of have a point though. They want to monitor mobile traffic to combat terrorism and other national security issues (just as the western world does), so it's right for them to request this. If you think that you live in a free land here and your calls aren't being monitored then think again.
FORE!!!

Edited by DonkeyApple on Tuesday 3rd August 16:19
Keep up at the back.
Childhood gag. First one in the car to spot Fylingdales got 10p. The call was 'fore' for obvious reasons. biggrin