Zimbabwe Governments 51% plan on Radio 4 this morning.. lol
Zimbabwe Governments 51% plan on Radio 4 this morning.. lol
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joe_90

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4,206 posts

261 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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The Zimbabwe Government, is there nothing they cannot do.

51% of all companies (over 500k) are to be black owned.
All mining companies that 51% is only the above ground stuff (I think, i.e none of the mining equipment etc).

And the guy got slightly shirty when the interviewer implied that only a few of the 'corrupt' elite could afford it.

Honestly, they have some balls.

So, no new companies, will go in, but the corrupt few can buy cheap stakes in all the mining, nice.

Nimbus

1,176 posts

258 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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I think they've been taking policy advice from Diane Abbot....

Asterix

24,438 posts

258 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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In the UAE, all onshore companies (not those in freezones) are supposed to be 51% owned by a local partner. Not many are though - what you'll find is a local who has his name on the trade licences of 100+ companies and just takes a yearly fee rather than have any meaningful input to the company.

jshell

12,106 posts

235 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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joe_90 said:
The Zimbabwe Government, is there nothing they cannot do.

51% of all companies (over 500k) are to be black owned.
All mining companies that 51% is only the above ground stuff (I think, i.e none of the mining equipment etc).

And the guy got slightly shirty when the interviewer implied that only a few of the 'corrupt' elite could afford it.

Honestly, they have some balls.

So, no new companies, will go in, but the corrupt few can buy cheap stakes in all the mining, nice.
Name me a West African country where things are different...particularly those with oil reserves.

jimothy

5,151 posts

267 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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South Africa are doing the same thing...

ewenm

28,506 posts

275 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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jimothy said:
South Africa are doing the same thing...
Are SA doing the same in terms of South African ownership or black ownership? There's a big difference in my eyes.

elster

17,517 posts

240 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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ewenm said:
jimothy said:
South Africa are doing the same thing...
Are SA doing the same in terms of South African ownership or black ownership? There's a big difference in my eyes.
Black ownership.

ewenm

28,506 posts

275 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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elster said:
ewenm said:
jimothy said:
South Africa are doing the same thing...
Are SA doing the same in terms of South African ownership or black ownership? There's a big difference in my eyes.
Black ownership.
Really? Wow! Racism is alive and well, I guess there's post-apartheid backlash still going on. The problem is you'll get the quotas of ownership but need people with experience of owning/running companies (regardless of their skin colour). Just look at the destruction of farm outputs in Zimbabwe due to mismanagement. They turfed out everyone who knew how to run a big farm (including black Zimbabweans who didn't support Mugabe) with disastrous consequences.

Elroy Blue

8,841 posts

222 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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But it's all Ok because they're Africans. Racism can only be applied in one direction it seems.

chris watton

22,547 posts

290 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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Elroy Blue said:
But it's all Ok because they're Africans. Racism can only be applied in one direction it seems.
IIRC, Jo Brand actually stated this...

Smiler.

11,752 posts

260 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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ewenm said:
elster said:
ewenm said:
jimothy said:
South Africa are doing the same thing...
Are SA doing the same in terms of South African ownership or black ownership? There's a big difference in my eyes.
Black ownership.
Really? Wow! Racism is alive and well.........
This isn't really news to you is it?

But then, look at what people in Africa (anywhere actually) are happy to do to their neighbours.

It's pretty disgusting that in one part of a county, people are dying on their feet due to treatable illness, malnutrition etc whist their masters laud it up with stolen funds.

Bit like India with their space programme & Pakistan & their nuclear programme.

You've got to hand it to Mugabe though, he's got a far thicker skin than Abbott.

12gauge

1,274 posts

204 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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Is the other 49% to be owned by Van Hoogstraten?

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

261 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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joe_90 said:
The Zimbabwe Government, is there nothing they cannot do.

51% of all companies (over 500k) are to be black owned.
All mining companies that 51% is only the above ground stuff (I think, i.e none of the mining equipment etc).

And the guy got slightly shirty when the interviewer implied that only a few of the 'corrupt' elite could afford it.

Honestly, they have some balls.

So, no new companies, will go in, but the corrupt few can buy cheap stakes in all the mining, nice.
And we get called racist. hehe

Guybrush

4,364 posts

236 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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There's a lesson for us in there somewhere....

TheEnd

15,370 posts

218 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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I'd almost be tempted to say that all the white guys should get out and let them run the country whatever way E ba guM, TreboR want's to run it.

The thing is a lot of the white people over there have been there for a few generations, so aren't exactly immigrants, and you can't really ship them back to where they came from either.

Gold

1,998 posts

235 months

Tuesday 14th September 2010
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TheEnd said:
I'd almost be tempted to say that all the white guys should get out and let them run the country whatever way E ba guM, TreboR want's to run it.
What do you think most of them are doing?

jimothy

5,151 posts

267 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Gold said:
TheEnd said:
I'd almost be tempted to say that all the white guys should get out and let them run the country whatever way E ba guM, TreboR want's to run it.
What do you think most of them are doing?
Staying. Its their home as well after all. Some have left, but a lot are still there, or have gone back.

anonymous-user

84 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Nothing new,51% local ownership is common practice in much of the world, outside Europe. Before Norway joined the European economic aream you had advatages from being 'Norwegian' owned for Norwegian oil work, my Company was owned by my Norwegian wife with signed share transere certs to my benifit held by my Lawyer. In Malaysia not only do you need to be 51% Malaysian owned but the Malaysian's have to be ethnic Malays.

Jimbeaux

33,791 posts

261 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Berw said:
Nothing new,51% local ownership is common practice in much of the world, outside Europe. Before Norway joined the European economic aream you had advatages from being 'Norwegian' owned for Norwegian oil work, my Company was owned by my Norwegian wife with signed share transere certs to my benifit held by my Lawyer. In Malaysia not only do you need to be 51% Malaysian owned but the Malaysian's have to be ethnic Malays.
it appears everyone looks out for themselves except the "West"; we are too busy being apologists and giving it all away.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Wednesday 15th September 13:53

Asterix

24,438 posts

258 months

Wednesday 15th September 2010
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Jimbeaux said:
Berw said:
Nothing new,51% local ownership is common practice in much of the world, outside Europe. Before Norway joined the European economic aream you had advatages from being 'Norwegian' owned for Norwegian oil work, my Company was owned by my Norwegian wife with signed share transere certs to my benifit held by my Lawyer. In Malaysia not only do you need to be 51% Malaysian owned but the Malaysian's have to be ethnic Malays.
it appears everyone looks out for themselves except the "West"; we are too busy being apologists and giving it all away.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Wednesday 15th September 13:53
To a degree - what the West does have is a reasonable legal system and, for the most part, a relatively level playing field - means that those that can do and those that can't will be employed by those that can.

One of the reasons why the UAE has such strict company ownership and certain monopolistic laws is that the majority of local run companies would disappear thanks to more efficiently run businesses, if they were allowed to operate.

You want to buy a certain marque of car here, you have to buy from one company and if you don't like the levels of service etc... then tough - the only 'free' companies are allowed in the freezones and even they, to a degree, have been coerced into that position thanks to the Trade Licensing restrictions and they are unlikely to be a 'cornerstone' business such as telecomms, banking, transport, for example.