Theresa May and Immigration ideas
Discussion
Finally!!!!!!!
Commonsense is being used in the Non-EU immigration policies!
1. temp stay not to be converted to settlement
2. English language competence before entry for spouses
3. Students for only degree level and above and must return with no visa conversion.
4. Work permits to be capped and fluctuated depending on corporate demand
5. High skilled workers,entrepreneurs and investors to be attracted with settlement rights.
NET effect-
1. population numbers controlled
2. Integration agenda pushed forward
3. Uni funding @ 3x current cap for British/EU students. Small scam colleges out of business
4. Economic progress by way of temp stay work permits depending on corporate demand
5. Best quality of immigrants from abroad allowed to contribute and settle within british society.
Good plan...IMO..this will go a long way for integration of NON -EU migrants into the society at large and help with eradicating the ghetto culture! It will take a long time to achieve it but its a good base to start with.
Considering NON - EU migrants get zero access to benefits until they attain settlement rights, It will be a good earner to the treasury as it is now!
Commonsense is being used in the Non-EU immigration policies!
1. temp stay not to be converted to settlement
2. English language competence before entry for spouses
3. Students for only degree level and above and must return with no visa conversion.
4. Work permits to be capped and fluctuated depending on corporate demand
5. High skilled workers,entrepreneurs and investors to be attracted with settlement rights.
NET effect-
1. population numbers controlled
2. Integration agenda pushed forward
3. Uni funding @ 3x current cap for British/EU students. Small scam colleges out of business
4. Economic progress by way of temp stay work permits depending on corporate demand
5. Best quality of immigrants from abroad allowed to contribute and settle within british society.
Good plan...IMO..this will go a long way for integration of NON -EU migrants into the society at large and help with eradicating the ghetto culture! It will take a long time to achieve it but its a good base to start with.
Considering NON - EU migrants get zero access to benefits until they attain settlement rights, It will be a good earner to the treasury as it is now!
bobbylondonuk said:
Finally!!!!!!!
Commonsense is being used in the Non-EU immigration policies!
1. temp stay not to be converted to settlement
2. English language competence before entry for spouses
3. Students for only degree level and above and must return with no visa conversion.
4. Work permits to be capped and fluctuated depending on corporate demand
5. High skilled workers,entrepreneurs and investors to be attracted with settlement rights.
NET effect-
1. population numbers controlled
2. Integration agenda pushed forward
3. Uni funding @ 3x current cap for British/EU students. Small scam colleges out of business
4. Economic progress by way of temp stay work permits depending on corporate demand
5. Best quality of immigrants from abroad allowed to contribute and settle within british society.
Good plan...IMO..this will go a long way for integration of NON -EU migrants into the society at large and help with eradicating the ghetto culture! It will take a long time to achieve it but its a good base to start with.
Considering NON - EU migrants get zero access to benefits until they attain settlement rights, It will be a good earner to the treasury as it is now!
It's certainly a start.Commonsense is being used in the Non-EU immigration policies!
1. temp stay not to be converted to settlement
2. English language competence before entry for spouses
3. Students for only degree level and above and must return with no visa conversion.
4. Work permits to be capped and fluctuated depending on corporate demand
5. High skilled workers,entrepreneurs and investors to be attracted with settlement rights.
NET effect-
1. population numbers controlled
2. Integration agenda pushed forward
3. Uni funding @ 3x current cap for British/EU students. Small scam colleges out of business
4. Economic progress by way of temp stay work permits depending on corporate demand
5. Best quality of immigrants from abroad allowed to contribute and settle within british society.
Good plan...IMO..this will go a long way for integration of NON -EU migrants into the society at large and help with eradicating the ghetto culture! It will take a long time to achieve it but its a good base to start with.
Considering NON - EU migrants get zero access to benefits until they attain settlement rights, It will be a good earner to the treasury as it is now!
What would be prudent would be to find out why very few British people want to work within the NHS and work to redress this.
Personally, I suspect that it tends to be hard work for not much money,much like a corner shop and so British people will swerve.
I do like the US system of settlement applications only being able to be made from outside the country.
We also need to curb housing for new arrivals. At present it is open to wide abuse. For example, a common ruse is to arrive and recieve a flat, you then bring your wife and children in but shortly after, divorce them. This leads to them getting a house, and you retaining the flat which you then sublet as you are obviously living in the house with your wife and kids.
I don't see the problem in creating worker's housing in key cities to allow easy migration, internally as well. We need to ensure that the work market is more fluid and look at concepts such as subsidised travel fares so a worker can return to his family at the weekends but reside in cost effect accomodation near his work for the week.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Friday 5th November 11:23
I haven't got the time right now as I'm off to work soon, but rest assured it's all b
ks. The visa system is a shambles in both design and implimentation and in any case the real immigration problems stem from lax EU regulations and lack of investment in front line officers.
Nothing constuctive will happen until the goverment start listening to the people with real experience and get rid of middle management civil servant cake eaters!
ks. The visa system is a shambles in both design and implimentation and in any case the real immigration problems stem from lax EU regulations and lack of investment in front line officers.Nothing constuctive will happen until the goverment start listening to the people with real experience and get rid of middle management civil servant cake eaters!
DonkeyApple said:
It's certainly a start.
What would be prudent would be to find out why very few British people want to work within the NHS and work to redress this.
Personally, I suspect that it tends to be hard work for not much money,much like a corner shop and so British people will swerve.
I do like the US system of settlement applications only being able to be made from outside the country.
We also need to curb housing for new arrivals. At present it is open to wide abuse. For example, a common ruse is to arrive and recieve a flat, you then bring your wife and children in but shortly after, divorce them. This leads to them getting a house, and you retaining the flat which you then sublet as you are obviously living in the house with your wife and kids.
I don't see the problem in creating worker's housing in key cities to allow easy migration, internally as well. We need to ensure that the work market is more fluid and look at concepts such as subsidised travel fares so a worker can return to his family at the weekends but reside in cost effect accomodation near his work for the week.
NON -EU migrants do not get any housing!!! Asylum seekers are probably what you are talking about...but they are not legal immigrants who have to play by immigration/visa rules.What would be prudent would be to find out why very few British people want to work within the NHS and work to redress this.
Personally, I suspect that it tends to be hard work for not much money,much like a corner shop and so British people will swerve.
I do like the US system of settlement applications only being able to be made from outside the country.
We also need to curb housing for new arrivals. At present it is open to wide abuse. For example, a common ruse is to arrive and recieve a flat, you then bring your wife and children in but shortly after, divorce them. This leads to them getting a house, and you retaining the flat which you then sublet as you are obviously living in the house with your wife and kids.
I don't see the problem in creating worker's housing in key cities to allow easy migration, internally as well. We need to ensure that the work market is more fluid and look at concepts such as subsidised travel fares so a worker can return to his family at the weekends but reside in cost effect accomodation near his work for the week.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Friday 5th November 11:23
bobbylondonuk said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's certainly a start.
What would be prudent would be to find out why very few British people want to work within the NHS and work to redress this.
Personally, I suspect that it tends to be hard work for not much money,much like a corner shop and so British people will swerve.
I do like the US system of settlement applications only being able to be made from outside the country.
We also need to curb housing for new arrivals. At present it is open to wide abuse. For example, a common ruse is to arrive and recieve a flat, you then bring your wife and children in but shortly after, divorce them. This leads to them getting a house, and you retaining the flat which you then sublet as you are obviously living in the house with your wife and kids.
I don't see the problem in creating worker's housing in key cities to allow easy migration, internally as well. We need to ensure that the work market is more fluid and look at concepts such as subsidised travel fares so a worker can return to his family at the weekends but reside in cost effect accomodation near his work for the week.
NON -EU migrants do not get any housing!!! Asylum seekers are probably what you are talking about...but they are not legal immigrants who have to play by immigration/visa rules.What would be prudent would be to find out why very few British people want to work within the NHS and work to redress this.
Personally, I suspect that it tends to be hard work for not much money,much like a corner shop and so British people will swerve.
I do like the US system of settlement applications only being able to be made from outside the country.
We also need to curb housing for new arrivals. At present it is open to wide abuse. For example, a common ruse is to arrive and recieve a flat, you then bring your wife and children in but shortly after, divorce them. This leads to them getting a house, and you retaining the flat which you then sublet as you are obviously living in the house with your wife and kids.
I don't see the problem in creating worker's housing in key cities to allow easy migration, internally as well. We need to ensure that the work market is more fluid and look at concepts such as subsidised travel fares so a worker can return to his family at the weekends but reside in cost effect accomodation near his work for the week.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Friday 5th November 11:23
How come the Commonwealth members recieve council housing?
DonkeyApple said:
bobbylondonuk said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's certainly a start.
What would be prudent would be to find out why very few British people want to work within the NHS and work to redress this.
Personally, I suspect that it tends to be hard work for not much money,much like a corner shop and so British people will swerve.
I do like the US system of settlement applications only being able to be made from outside the country.
We also need to curb housing for new arrivals. At present it is open to wide abuse. For example, a common ruse is to arrive and recieve a flat, you then bring your wife and children in but shortly after, divorce them. This leads to them getting a house, and you retaining the flat which you then sublet as you are obviously living in the house with your wife and kids.
I don't see the problem in creating worker's housing in key cities to allow easy migration, internally as well. We need to ensure that the work market is more fluid and look at concepts such as subsidised travel fares so a worker can return to his family at the weekends but reside in cost effect accomodation near his work for the week.
NON -EU migrants do not get any housing!!! Asylum seekers are probably what you are talking about...but they are not legal immigrants who have to play by immigration/visa rules.What would be prudent would be to find out why very few British people want to work within the NHS and work to redress this.
Personally, I suspect that it tends to be hard work for not much money,much like a corner shop and so British people will swerve.
I do like the US system of settlement applications only being able to be made from outside the country.
We also need to curb housing for new arrivals. At present it is open to wide abuse. For example, a common ruse is to arrive and recieve a flat, you then bring your wife and children in but shortly after, divorce them. This leads to them getting a house, and you retaining the flat which you then sublet as you are obviously living in the house with your wife and kids.
I don't see the problem in creating worker's housing in key cities to allow easy migration, internally as well. We need to ensure that the work market is more fluid and look at concepts such as subsidised travel fares so a worker can return to his family at the weekends but reside in cost effect accomodation near his work for the week.
Edited by DonkeyApple on Friday 5th November 11:23
How come the Commonwealth members recieve council housing?
Craigyp79 said:
I haven't got the time right now as I'm off to work soon, but rest assured it's all bks. The visa system is a shambles in both design and implimentation and in any case the real immigration problems stem from lax EU regulations and lack of investment in front line officers.
Nothing constuctive will happen until the goverment start listening to the people with real experience and get rid of middle management civil servant cake eaters!
When the Consdervatives were in power before immigration levels were far lower. All it really takes is a message from the top that numbers should be controlled.ks. The visa system is a shambles in both design and implimentation and in any case the real immigration problems stem from lax EU regulations and lack of investment in front line officers.Nothing constuctive will happen until the goverment start listening to the people with real experience and get rid of middle management civil servant cake eaters!
Labour talked tough on immigration but increased it as a deliberate act of policy.
bobbylondonuk said:
DonkeyApple said:
NON -EU migrants do not get any housing!!! Asylum seekers are probably what you are talking about...but they are not legal immigrants who have to play by immigration/visa rules.
I'm not sure that is correct is it?How come the Commonwealth members recieve council housing?
Edited by Timsta on Friday 5th November 12:57
Can we please also spend a few hundred extra million a year to inspect EVERY vehicle entering the country? All the illegals who claim asylum are adding to the number significantly. I have no issue if they really need help, but as we know, most are looking for our welfare, otherwise they'd have stayed in France.
Immigration Non-EU is not the problem. A friend of mine went to Uni and paid all fees. Not entitled to benefits so she cannot claim. Actually pays around £500 a year for her visa. These people we want to attract.
It's all these Eastern European EU migrants who claim all sorts, use our NHS, schools & public services. It's a drain on the public purse.
This is what annoys the majority of British people.
It's all these Eastern European EU migrants who claim all sorts, use our NHS, schools & public services. It's a drain on the public purse.
This is what annoys the majority of British people.
Edited by KENZ on Friday 5th November 21:05
DonkeyApple said:
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What would be prudent would be to find out why very few British people want to work within the NHS and work to redress this.
Personally, I suspect that it tends to be hard work for not much money,much like a corner shop and so British people will swerve.
i'm not quite sure where this comes from What would be prudent would be to find out why very few British people want to work within the NHS and work to redress this.
Personally, I suspect that it tends to be hard work for not much money,much like a corner shop and so British people will swerve.
the importation of skilled professionals into the NHS from overseas is as a result of poor workforce planning - e.g.s
Doctors - Until the last round of medical school creation and expansion of places at established med schools there simply were not enough Doctors to go around, and this was compunded by the 'New Deal' and the EWTD...
Nurses etc - a two pronged effect
poor workforce planning in the 80s leading to a shortage of staff
compunded by
poor workforce structures under pre AFC terms and conditions with the artificial block to progression that D grade provided leading to people leaving the profession because of a very low cap on earning for RNs - compare this to post AFC where basic salaries for RNs run to 27 534 GBP at the top of band 5 , making a 30 k+ figure on the P60 after unsocial hours payments if you work in a 24/7 environment entirely possible ...
in terms of the 'low paid' ancillary and support roles - especially things like cleaning and catering if they are paid on NHS T+C the pay is better than the private sector and the T+Cs are better... other Support services roles are less generous compared to private sector comparators - but as seen with estates staff ( especially craftsmen and technicians) this can be off set by recruitment and retention payments boosting the banding related pay to the industry norms ...
bobbylondonuk said:
Finally!!!!!!!
Commonsense is being used in the Non-EU immigration policies!
1. temp stay not to be converted to settlement
2. English language competence before entry for spouses
3. Students for only degree level and above and must return with no visa conversion.
4. Work permits to be capped and fluctuated depending on corporate demand
5. High skilled workers,entrepreneurs and investors to be attracted with settlement rights.
NET effect-
1. population numbers controlled
2. Integration agenda pushed forward
3. Uni funding @ 3x current cap for British/EU students. Small scam colleges out of business
4. Economic progress by way of temp stay work permits depending on corporate demand
5. Best quality of immigrants from abroad allowed to contribute and settle within british society.
Good plan...IMO..this will go a long way for integration of NON -EU migrants into the society at large and help with eradicating the ghetto culture! It will take a long time to achieve it but its a good base to start with.
Considering NON - EU migrants get zero access to benefits until they attain settlement rights, It will be a good earner to the treasury as it is now!
There's far too much common sense and realism in thatCommonsense is being used in the Non-EU immigration policies!
1. temp stay not to be converted to settlement
2. English language competence before entry for spouses
3. Students for only degree level and above and must return with no visa conversion.
4. Work permits to be capped and fluctuated depending on corporate demand
5. High skilled workers,entrepreneurs and investors to be attracted with settlement rights.
NET effect-
1. population numbers controlled
2. Integration agenda pushed forward
3. Uni funding @ 3x current cap for British/EU students. Small scam colleges out of business
4. Economic progress by way of temp stay work permits depending on corporate demand
5. Best quality of immigrants from abroad allowed to contribute and settle within british society.
Good plan...IMO..this will go a long way for integration of NON -EU migrants into the society at large and help with eradicating the ghetto culture! It will take a long time to achieve it but its a good base to start with.
Considering NON - EU migrants get zero access to benefits until they attain settlement rights, It will be a good earner to the treasury as it is now!
So it'll never happen
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