Long term dole claimants made to work

[Dixie68]

Sky News

Hopefully not a repost and hopefully this IS coming in and SOON, (I don't like the word MAY in the title).

(Is there a hand-rubbing smiley?)

[turbobloke]

Also "a universal credit to replace the range of benefits currently claimed by the jobless." which means IDS really is a PHer

[Dixie68]

turbobloke said:

Also "a universal credit to replace the range of benefits currently claimed by the jobless." which means IDS really is a PHer

If he next comes out with food vouchers and a swift kick in the slats for the spongers we'll know he is

[munroman]

It's what many people need, leadership and perhaps a 'push' to get them back into the world of work.

In Glasgow they must have spent thousands on stupid 'Tellytubby' art installations under the M8, yet the motorway embankments are filthy with litter, ideal for just such extra help to clean up.

Hopefully it will help genuine people, some who may have lost confidence, to feel that they are doing something useful.

For the ones who don't want to do this, well, why waste money on them.........

[Northern Munkee]

Dixie68 said:

turbobloke said:

Also "a universal credit to replace the range of benefits currently claimed by the jobless." which means IDS really is a PHer

If he next comes out with food vouchers and a swift kick in the slats for the spongers we'll know he is

If he comes out with food vouchers (which specifically exclude exchange for booze and fags) then it will clearly prove he has reinvented the wheel, and there are new ideas just ones that have been forgotten! They had food vouchers in the early 80's for Urgent Need Payments which pre date the Social Fund's Crisis Loans, if I recall rightly all tried under mrs thatch... Frightening flashback to working there!

[shindha]

Some body needs to take a close look at the prison expenses as well. I am sure we don't need to provide prisoners with three hot meals and clean clothing, if some of our pensioners and war veterans don't get these basics. Surely we must provide these basic to the free citizens who have contributed to society rather than criminals who are a strain on society.

[paddyhasneeds]

It's odd how the spin being put on this by the media is that of some sort of Tory operated labour camp, whilst the Tory view seems to be that if you're unemployed and do nothing useful with your time you may actually slip out of being unemployable because you're just not used to actually doing things that people do day to day whilst in work.

Yet again you have the good old BBC taking the totally unbiased, factually based stance of "Long-term jobless 'could face compulsory manual labour'".

I do wonder just what the lefties want other than to just keep on handing over the money.

[crankedup]

Is the plan to pay the minimum wage to benefit claimants that will carry out the jobs that used to be done by the now redundant Council workers? I guess that the people asked to carry out the tasks will also be provided with overalls for purpose of identification to the general public and the supervisors of the 'new workforce'. Its not an new concept, simply an copybook of the American way. Interesting times ahead me thinks.

[Jasandjules]

Sounds like quite a good idea to me. Those who are not ill but simply lazy can then have their benefits cut if they refuse to work?

[munroman]

paddyhasneeds said:

It's odd how the spin being put on this by the media is that of some sort of Tory operated labour camp, whilst the Tory view seems to be that if you're unemployed and do nothing useful with your time you may actually slip out of being unemployable because you're just not used to actually doing things that people do day to day whilst in work.

Yet again you have the good old BBC taking the totally unbiased, factually based stance of "Long-term jobless 'could face compulsory manual labour'".

I do wonder just what the lefties want other than to just keep on handing over the money.

My younger daughter dropped out of Uni, and struggled to find work, I could see her confidence dropping by the day.

Gradually she was getting up later, making the housework last longer, and just lost her 'spark'.

Fortunately she has now got a very good job with prospects, and has bloomed again.

If there had been some similar programme for her she would have jumped at the chance, even for the social contact, there is a huge amount of work needing done in this country, we are just not managing it properly, and there are no sanctions for those who choose to sit on their arses smoking and drinking.

I would hasten to add that I am not a Tory, but the whole idea that work and life are binary i.e.,you are either working or unemployed is rubbish, after listening to a guy in a wheelchair who works full time getting a bking from a bint with a bad back who is 'disabled' innit for 'letting the side down' by working, I do think the idle gits who sit milking the system need some encouragement to get back working, or some sanctions if they don't.


edited for speeling

Edited by munroman on Sunday 7th November 10:52

[Westy Pre-Lit]

Have said this for years even to the point when I had no work. Most of my time was spent writing letters, attending courses and endlessly plodding the streets looking for work, but eventually even the most persistent person will eventually just give up if they are unable to find work. I'm surprised it's taken the authorities this amount of time to realise they have a massive work force doing nothing for what they are given.

I'll believe it when I see it though. If it does happen, I somehow suspect unfortunately it may be run like some of the badly run community pay back schemes, as highlighted on some TV programs, where they basically do about an hours work for their money. The the rest of the day is then spent sitting around drinking tea and eating biscuits, all because the person in charge wants an easy life.

I hope I'm wrong!

[Lois]

The government should just "employ" everyone.
Pay them their wage and put them to work doing things like cleaning up the streets etc etc. If they don't turn up for work, they don't get paid. Simples!

[andy43]

1.4 million people have been on benefits for 9 out of the last 10 years.
The welfare state has risen by 40% (above inflation) in the same timeframe, I think?
Well done Tony and Gordon. Excellent work on behalf of your voters

If you've not worked for a month, you need a bit of a warm-up - 10 years off would mean a huge culture shock, and anything that can be done to lessen that shock and also contribute to improving an otherwise blank cv should be welcomed.

IDS stands for Irritable Dole Syndrome, right?


And yes, IDS is very likely to be on PH

Edited by andy43 on Sunday 7th November 10:46

[Dixie68]

Westy Pre-Lit said:

I'll believe it when I see it though. If it does happen, I somehow suspect unfortunately it may be run like some of the badly run community pay back schemes, as highlighted on some TV programs, where they basically do about an hours work for their money. The the rest of the day is then spent sitting around drinking tea and eating biscuits, all because the person in charge wants an easy life.

I hope I'm wrong!

That's the problem isn't it? Some bleeding heart will find a way of blocking this.

[JumboBeef]

anonymous said:

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Take the other end of the scale though: Say you are in your late 50s. You've worked solidly since leaving school, paying tax all that time. Now out of the blue, you are redundant. Don't you think you should be supported whilst looking for a job, or spend your days picking up litter?

[Lois]

They're not long term claimants.
Being made redundant should also be viewed differently from being sacked or quitting too. In my ideal world the amount you receive would also correlate to the amount you put in...

[Engineer1]

Where are these jobs going to come from? How long is long term unemployed 6, 12, 18 months where do you set the limit?
The danger with a make work scheme is it may be difficult to get back out of it, or it may result in low skill or seasonal jobs going to the makework scheme rather than those looking to top up incomes or who have been unemployed for a short time.

[crankedup]

anonymous said:

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Been doing this for years I thought. Oh except sick pay of course is paid out. And what of the professional just made redundant from within the banking industry, may have been employed for donkey years and now suddenly its out the door. How demoralising and disheartening to end up picking litter.?

Edited by crankedup on Sunday 7th November 12:00

[retrorider]

anonymous said:

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+1

[Westy Pre-Lit]

JumboBeef said:

anonymous said:

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Take the other end of the scale though: Say you are in your late 50s. You've worked solidly since leaving school, paying tax all that time. Now out of the blue, you are redundant. Don't you think you should be supported whilst looking for a job, or spend your days picking up litter?

Look at it this way if your late 50's it's going to be difficult whatever happens. Even so, if you are working but not happy in your job, then you have to look for work in your own time. You either have to say to yourself I'll stick it out for another few years or look elsewhere. I very much doubt your employer will allow you time to go off finding work else where. Just because you are older it doesn't make you unemployable and unable to look for work , it just means it may take a while longer to find work. If no work is about for an older person, then they aren't going to get work whether they are unemployed or not however hard they look. Just because your working and doing something doesn't stop you from being able to look does it ?

IMO there should be a time limit given i.e. of a year or so, so that people who need help get the help required.

The system is there and was put there to help people in a crisis and nobody should have a problem with this. Helping people in their hour of need is what civilised society should do.

Being out of work you lose your identity, respect and importance in society. This isn't about penalising those that are out of work, it's about giving them their respect and self-worth within society. It's also about sorting out the piss takers and leaches on society who think that it's their God-given right to leech off the TAX payer.

Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Sunday 7th November 12:10