One for JB and ErnestM

[tinman0]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1338645/Fl...

Several pictures down, the guy has his back turned to a woman.

If she had had a gun (unlikely as it's a school), could she have legally shot him dead? (eg, in the back).

[ErnestM]

In Florida - yes. No problem. You don't have a duty to retreat. She would have received a big thank you from the community and law enforcement.

By the way - that fella had absolutely NO training in firearms. No targeting skills and sh!t control.

[Bill]

ErnestM said:

By the way - that fella had absolutely NO training in firearms. No targeting skills and sh!t control.

You say that like it's a bad thing

[anonymous-user]

I'm right in thinking his second shot was a cock-up? Looked like he nearly blew a hole in his own foot!

[ErnestM]

Bill said:

ErnestM said:

By the way - that fella had absolutely NO training in firearms. No targeting skills and sh!t control.

You say that like it's a bad thing

No not at all. Just pointing out that he wasn't really familiar with firearms. Regarding the second shot - definitely unintended. As a matter of fact - I would suggest that the first shot was unintended as well. He had piss poor trigger discipline and it is a miracle that he didn't shoot his own head earlier when he used the gun barrel to scratch his head.

Handgun rule #1 - Keep your finger off the trigger until you intend for it to go bang.

[Bill]

Ah. I got what you meant, but missed the from my post.

[Jimbeaux]

They checked him out, he was a known mental case. How about those men sitting on their a$$ while the lady sneaks up with the purse? I understand trying to calmly talk him down, but someone should have jumped his fat ass long before that IMO.
True point Ernest, that man shot with the accuracy of a rap video gangsta'.

Edited by Jimbeaux on Wednesday 15th December 14:59

[tinman0]

So even though he hadn't shot anyone at that point and was just waving the gun around, she could have shot him in the back from the get go?

[ErnestM]

tinman0 said:

So even though he hadn't shot anyone at that point and was just waving the gun around, she could have shot him in the back from the get go?

If he was actively enaged in a felony (which he was) and she felt that he was an imminent threat to the others (which he was) and felt that in order to save lives she should drop him - then she can.

In Florida - only one of those listed above needs to be true for use of deadly force.

We had a civilian foil a convenience store robbery not too long ago. The gent was filling up his car and saw somebody threatening the clerk through the window. Gent retrieved his firearm from his glove box, and entered the store. Told the robber to drop his weapon. Robber turned to shoot the civilian. Civilian dropped him. (Of course, these stories don't hit the press, just the "mad lunatic with a gun" ones)

You may use deadly force in Florida to protect EITHER yourself or others.

[ErnestM]

Just thought this was funny - PH's ad placement in this thread when I reopened it...



Just in case I need another gun safe I suppose

[Jimbeaux]

tinman0 said:

So even though he hadn't shot anyone at that point and was just waving the gun around, she could have shot him in the back from the get go?

Absolutely, he could be reasonably perceived as a threat. In this case, as he stated he was there to kill people, he was an obvious threat.

[Jimbeaux]

ErnestM said:

tinman0 said:

So even though he hadn't shot anyone at that point and was just waving the gun around, she could have shot him in the back from the get go?

If he was actively enaged in a felony (which he was) and she felt that he was an imminent threat to the others (which he was) and felt that in order to save lives she should drop him - then she can.

In Florida - only one of those listed above needs to be true for use of deadly force.

We had a civilian foil a convenience store robbery not too long ago. The gent was filling up his car and saw somebody threatening the clerk through the window. Gent retrieved his firearm from his glove box, and entered the store. Told the robber to drop his weapon. Robber turned to shoot the civilian. Civilian dropped him. (Of course, these stories don't hit the press, just the "mad lunatic with a gun" ones)

You may use deadly force in Florida to protect EITHER yourself or others.

In Louisiana as well and in a larger and larger number of states I believe.