Farage stays on as UKIP leader
Discussion
don4l said:
I've read some rubbish on PH
I applaud anyone who proof reads their own posts. Well done that man!Personally, I regard the whole Farage-is-stuck-in-a-revolving-door farrago as splendid news. Anyone who doesn't inhabit the bubble that is selfless devotion to the cause of St Nigel the Parched can see this is a massive own goal. A man who had portrayed himself as straight-talking has just mired himself in doublespeak. At a stroke credibility is lost. And let's face it, credibility is far harder to acquire than to lose.
Most satisfactory.
Edited by anonymous-user on Monday 11th May 23:27
longblackcoat said:
Soov535 said:
You wish.
No matter how much mud is slung, people love him.
4 MILLION VOTES.
He kept saying he was different, that he wasn't part of the Westminster machinery, and that he was a man of his word.No matter how much mud is slung, people love him.
4 MILLION VOTES.
When the two Westminster politicians actaully do turn out to be men of their word, and the "honourable" man shows himself to be something less than that, what more needs to be said? He's different, certainly, but the difference turns out to be that he's less of a man than those he's so frequently maligned.
Farage on the other hand has been the lone face of UKIP and led them to 2-3x the number of votes that got the SNP 56 seats, of course they'd ask him to stay.
jjlynn27 said:
You are liar too if you are claiming that he did resign. He didn't. He offered his resignation. Which was, in keeping with good traditions from North Korea, not accepted. He went back on this word.
Which lefties are trying to get away with bare faced lies? Is Nigel a leftie?
Do you understand the difference between resigning and offering resignation?
As above, the exact language he used was unequivocal:Which lefties are trying to get away with bare faced lies? Is Nigel a leftie?
Do you understand the difference between resigning and offering resignation?
Farage said:
No – if I fail to win South Thanet, it is curtains for me. I will have to step down.
"Curtains for me". Well, he changed his mind - such is his prerogative, but in doing so he looks - at least to those not looking through 'kipper-tinted lenses - very much like a weasel for doing so.MG-FIDO said:
Farage on the other hand has been the lone face of UKIP and led them to 2-3x the number of votes that got the SNP 56 seats, of course they'd ask him to stay.
NF said at the beginning that he would stand down should he fail to win his seat. Didn't this send some alarm bells at UKIP headquarters that a plan B might be a good idea should he fail? The polls were pretty tight so it can't have come as a complete surprise that this may happen.It smacks of political naivety.
Scuffers said:
He honored his word and quit, the party realise that he is their best chance at leading the party forward, so got behind him.
no matter what way you want to spin it, the simple fact nobody was going to stab him in the back speaks volumes, not just for Farage, but for the rest of the party.
Desperation you mean?no matter what way you want to spin it, the simple fact nobody was going to stab him in the back speaks volumes, not just for Farage, but for the rest of the party.
I don't need to spin it, this has been badly handled by UKIP and if you were objective you might appreciate that.
bga said:
To most people they are one and the same. That doesn't make don4l a liar in my mind.
Why do you feel qualified to speak for most people? Offer to do something and doing something are two very different things. If he actually wanted to resign, them not accepting his resignation would count for very little. Man of his word would say 'Sorry chaps, I gave my word, of to a summer of fun, see you at re-election, where we all know I'll win anyhow'.
Saying 'it's not credible for me to lead the party if I don't win ST' should mean just that. That should preclude him from leading until next GE, and only IF he wins that seat or any other seat he picks as a target.
jjlynn27 said:
Why do you feel qualified to speak for most people?
Offer to do something and doing something are two very different things. If he actually wanted to resign, them not accepting his resignation would count for very little. Man of his word would say 'Sorry chaps, I gave my word, of to a summer of fun, see you at re-election, where we all know I'll win anyhow'.
Saying 'it's not credible for me to lead the party if I don't win ST' should mean just that. That should preclude him from leading until next GE, and only IF he wins that seat or any other seat he picks as a target.
Why are you so upset about this?Offer to do something and doing something are two very different things. If he actually wanted to resign, them not accepting his resignation would count for very little. Man of his word would say 'Sorry chaps, I gave my word, of to a summer of fun, see you at re-election, where we all know I'll win anyhow'.
Saying 'it's not credible for me to lead the party if I don't win ST' should mean just that. That should preclude him from leading until next GE, and only IF he wins that seat or any other seat he picks as a target.
Well done Nige. 
Lovin' it... 
At a stroke you've got right up the noses of the media who thought their currently "most evil" anti-red political target has gone away whilst at the same time deflecting media attention away from the hurting leaderless Lib-Dem and Labour Parties. A single whammy for the media soon to evolve into a double....
No doubt those latter named parties are rather pleased about that diversion but, that pleasure will soon dissipate when the media tire of Farage continually grabbing the headlines. Then it will be "moving swiftly on" and the media turn their incessant negativity onto the grief of the real leaderless ones.
Stick that up their polls.... Lovin' it.
BBC 2's Newsnight starting now has the topic .. Guess what. How could those oh so clever media luvvies and Pollster types get it so very wrong.
Bring it on...
Lovin' it... At a stroke you've got right up the noses of the media who thought their currently "most evil" anti-red political target has gone away whilst at the same time deflecting media attention away from the hurting leaderless Lib-Dem and Labour Parties. A single whammy for the media soon to evolve into a double....
No doubt those latter named parties are rather pleased about that diversion but, that pleasure will soon dissipate when the media tire of Farage continually grabbing the headlines. Then it will be "moving swiftly on" and the media turn their incessant negativity onto the grief of the real leaderless ones.
Stick that up their polls.... Lovin' it.
BBC 2's Newsnight starting now has the topic .. Guess what. How could those oh so clever media luvvies and Pollster types get it so very wrong.
Bring it on...
don4l said:
markh1973 said:
The party can't force him to stay on - ultimately he has decided not to follow through with the resignation.
He resigned, as he said he would.He followed through, and tendered his resignation.
Either Farage, or you is a liar.
Farage resigned, as he said he would.
You have said that he broke his word. He didn't.
Go figure!
I said that if he wanted to resign he could do - he isn't being forced to stay he has chosen to.
To my mind this makes UKIP look weak in that they clearly don't seem able to identify anyone worthy of replacing Farage.
Nuttall was on the news saying that the membership had shown it wanted Farage to stay - that ballot must taken place quickly or maybe what he really meant was the executive committee want him to stay.
markh1973 said:
Can you point to where I said Farage broke his word. i won't ask for an apology for you calling me a liar as it would be a wasted breath.
I said that if he wanted to resign he could do - he isn't being forced to stay he has chosen to.
To my mind this makes UKIP look weak in that they clearly don't seem able to identify anyone worthy of replacing Farage.
Nuttall was on the news saying that the membership had shown it wanted Farage to stay - that ballot must taken place quickly or maybe what he really meant was the executive committee want him to stay.
Pure speculation and supposition. Only by asking every one of the millions of folks who voted UK Independence Party and getting a truthful answer can you or anyone be certain of that one way or another.I said that if he wanted to resign he could do - he isn't being forced to stay he has chosen to.
To my mind this makes UKIP look weak in that they clearly don't seem able to identify anyone worthy of replacing Farage.
Nuttall was on the news saying that the membership had shown it wanted Farage to stay - that ballot must taken place quickly or maybe what he really meant was the executive committee want him to stay.
Here's my truthful answer as a voter. Delighted he has been told they still want him and have rejected his resignation. Talking to close members of my family who actually voted Tory in fear of Red Ed, they tell me they're pleased that Farage's resignation has been rejected. Had they not believed the media hype and misleading Polls, they would have voted UKIP. The Polls backfired for those who bigged up a Red Ed victory and did exactly the reverse of what the lefty luvvies vending these items as gospel news really wanted. Their widespread and obvious disappointment at the clear cut Tory Victory was all too plain to see with only one or two exceptions who appear neutral as a result .... of the result... Even then, appearances can be deceptive.
Eurosceptic Tories will play their part in the coming months and Oh what fun all that will be to observe as Desperate Dave seeks a satisfactory outcome with all that impossible balancing to perform.
eharding said:
Farage said:
No – if I fail to win South Thanet, it is curtains for me. I will have to step down.
"Curtains for me". Well, he changed his mind - such is his prerogative, but in doing so he looks - at least to those not looking through 'kipper-tinted lenses - very much like a weasel for doing so.
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