The PH exit poll

[jonby]

iphonedyou said:

arp1 said:

The whole Snp/scotland bashing has really worn thin, and if you cannot see why the Snp is gaining members in droves then you must be blind.

No, almost everybody can see why they've gained members in droves. It's just a damning indictment of those members' intellect, that's all. Free money is an excellent incentive for economically illiterate voters.

In the short term, it's a good idea for Scottish voters

Unfortunately, voters and MPs alike are geared towards short termism, rather than thinking in the medium - long term, which is where the SNP plans really fall down. Except for the SNP themselves of course, who seem to want Independence regardless of whether they are worse or better off financially - that's fine as an ideological point, however it's lying when they try to get backing on the basis it will make them economically stronger

I think the SNP's master plan is to combine getting more resources switched from the UK as a whole to Scotland during this coming parliament combined with a total p****g off of the English, to the point where we (the English) ask them to leave, at a time when they are in a better position after all the deals they hope to do with a Labour administration

[scrwright]

Ashamed I voted tacticly for the conservative, would have been ukip but in a seat whete labour could win & ukip dont have a chance.

[jonby]

Silverage said:

I'm in one of the safest Tory seats in the country so my vote isn't going to make any difference. Voted LibDem last time (they came 3rd in the end). Went UKIP this time but I'm under no illusions about them doing any good here (they came 4th last time).

I think people are wrong to think their votes make no difference in this election, in safe seats

When all the arguments erupt over which party has the mandate to form a government, I am convinced that one of the arguments will be total votes cast for Labour vs Tories. It's not a legal issue, but it will lend weight to the arguments. For instance it's quite conceivable that Labour end up with very few seats but 100s of thousands of votes in Scotland - it's vitally important that whether your party is the one that is certain to lose or the one certain to win (in a safe seat) that you still vote, because cumulatively they will be used in the debates

[TeaNoSugar]

oyster said:

Digga said:

Interesting trend I've noticed with a few (intelligent and professional) friends is that they are voting Green, more as a protest against the usual suspects than for their overall policies.

That's my view too.

I find it ironic that there's a huge debate about not leaving a legacy of debt to our children and grandchildren but so little debate when it comes to leaving a decent planet to live on.

PS. I'm not talking global warming BS before anyone asks.

I hope the green party have a good showing today on the back of their recent membership boom. They are the thinking mans protest vote this year.
The UKIP vote, as far as I can tell, is the protest vote of choice for the gullible, the deluded, the ignorant, and the selfish.

[Axionknight]

TeaNoSugar said:

I hope the green party have a good showing today on the back of their recent membership boom. They are the thinking mans protest vote this year.
The UKIP vote, as far as I can tell, is the protest vote of choice for the gullible, the deluded, the ignorant, and the selfish.

You must be crackers if you think the Greens are a party for the thinking man/woman, have you read their manifesto?

[Einion Yrth]

TeaNoSugar said:

I hope the green party have a good showing today on the back of their recent membership boom. They are the thinking mans protest vote this year.
The UKIP vote, as far as I can tell, is the protest vote of choice for the gullible, the deluded, the ignorant, and the selfish.

You should do stand-up; funniest thing I've read this week.

[turbobloke]

arp1 said:

iphonedyou said:

arp1 said:

The whole Snp/scotland bashing has really worn thin, and if you cannot see why the Snp is gaining members in droves then you must be blind.

No, almost everybody can see why they've gained members in droves. It's just a damning indictment of those members' intellect, that's all. Free money is an excellent incentive for economically illiterate voters.

Free money? Care to explain? Scotland puts more in than it gets out...

Admittedly the last time I looked was two or three years ago but this at least shows that it wasn't always so, and may not be today.

Scotland back then accounted for 8.4% of the UK population, 8.3% of total UK output and 8.3% of the UK non-oil tax revenues.

Scotland also accounted for 9.2% of total UK public spending, so some would say that's taking more out than it put in.

Spending per capita in Scotland was ~10% higher per head of population than the UK average.

When a proportion of oil revenue in keeping with Scotland's percentage of the UK population is added to the mix it makes very little difference to the overall picture.

The only way Scotland, a couple of years back, could be said to put more in, was if independence (almost) was assumed and oil revenues wholly or almost wholly clained for Scotland, and even then the difference was a decimal of one percent in Scotland's favour.

Given the above claim for Scotland's generosity to the rest of us, those numbers must have shifted markedly since then.

[simoid]

arp1 said:

Free money? Care to explain? Scotland puts more in than it gets out and the decisions made locally (i.e. Holyrood) mean that 'free' stuff is paid for via other means in the Scottish budget, so please get off the high horse that Scotland steals England's money etc as it is a complete falsity.

Christ it's not about putting in and getting out. We are one country and money is distrubuted on a 'needs' basis. Scotland gets more money than the average for a variety of reasons but we certainly don't "put in more than we get out".

Anyway, miles OT.

[turbobloke]

Einion Yrth said:

TeaNoSugar said:

I hope the green party have a good showing today on the back of their recent membership boom. They are the thinking mans protest vote this year.
The UKIP vote, as far as I can tell, is the protest vote of choice for the gullible, the deluded, the ignorant, and the selfish.

You should do stand-up; funniest thing I've read this week.

Inverted reality never looked quite so upside-down.

[Chocmonster]

Nigel won't be happy!

Ukip candidate missed off Darlington ballot papers at one polling station - but voters urged to keep voting.

http://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/12937373.UPD...

[0000]

Digga said:

oyster said:

Digga said:

Interesting trend I've noticed with a few (intelligent and professional) friends is that they are voting Green, more as a protest against the usual suspects than for their overall policies.

That's my view too.

I find it ironic that there's a huge debate about not leaving a legacy of debt to our children and grandchildren but so little debate when it comes to leaving a decent planet to live on.

PS. I'm not talking global warming BS before anyone asks.

I have no offspring, never intended to, so am well out of the "WON'T SOMEONE THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" hysteria zone, but i think we owe it as a responsibility to future generations, just as our ancestors made (often mortal and the WW) sacrifices on our behalf.

They might label themselves as green but they seem more concerned with lads mags, rabbit hutches, private schools and people with posh accents that own guns. I'm not even convinced that blocking the building of nuclear power stations is a sensible green choice.

[easytiger123]

Conservative. The only choice to keep that socialist parasite Miliband and the even worse Nicola Sturgeon far away from running (or more accurately, ruining) the country

[Camoradi]

TeaNoSugar said:

The UKIP vote, as far as I can tell, is the protest vote of choice for the gullible, the deluded, the ignorant, and the selfish.

you missed out racist and swivel eyed.

We all count though

[Jandywa]

It's frightening to see people have actually voted for the SNP.

[andymadmak]

arp1 said:

Free money? Care to explain? Scotland puts more in than it gets out".................

Why do you continue to spout this nonsense? Why do Nats like you persist in repeating stuff that has been demonstrated time after time to be utter hogwash? Is it the "repeat a lie often enough and it will become the truth" line of political thinking?
( if so, it would be appropriate given the source of that theory).

Lets not derail this thread but please do stop with your nonsense

[ally3601]

Conservative which in scotland is useless, but wasn't about to vote for SNP or Michael Connarty of Labour

[iphonedyou]

arp1 said:

Free money? Care to explain? Scotland puts more in than it gets out and the decisions made locally (i.e. Holyrood) mean that 'free' stuff is paid for via other means in the Scottish budget, so please get off the high horse that Scotland steals England's money etc as it is a complete falsity.

Not, it doesn't, and no, it's not.

It's not my role to educate you, but I absolutely feel obliged to point out your abject lack of understanding.

For what it's worth, I'm from Northern Ireland - living and working in central London - and will freely admit my home country takes more than it pays in. But I have the good grace to a) educate myself about it and b) feel ashamed of it.

Edited by iphonedyou on Thursday 7th May 15:29

[shep1001]

Conservative. That said I would vote for any party who kept the most money in my pocket whilst spending my taxes on those that genuinely need/deserve it. At the same time stop spunking millions away on useless departments & Quangos that achieve the sum total of fk all.

[Crush]

Puggit said:

UKIP - There's no point voting blue or red, it just leads to more of the same with higher taxes and waste for the reds.

There's only one choice for change. I'm vehemently anti-EU, but I'm pro Europe. A trading bloc will do fine, thanks very much. Until I have voted in a referendum on the EU I will continue to vote purply-yellow

In addition they appear to be the only party interested in aiding the motorist, and do not follow the climate changemageddon religion.

We voted UKIP too, couldn't vote for Maria Miller and the other options were an independent NHS fanatic, a Labia candidate and a Lib Dem.

[Norfolkit]

scrwright said:

Ashamed I voted tacticly for the conservative, would have been ukip but in a seat whete labour could win & ukip dont have a chance.

Nothing to be ashamed of, the left has voted tactically for years, why shouldn't right of centre voters do it to keep Miliband out.